I officially hate Micro$oft

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#1

Alright, I had it with Mircosoft. I will give you a wonderful fable that I hope you will warn your children and grandchildren about.

So I’m trying to reinstall OpenSuSE and the only way to do it (or the only way I know how) is by deleting the specific partitions on my hard drive and going back to my install cd of OpenSuse.

So, I delete the partitions and go into my Windows (I have dual boot) and delete the partitions there. I restart my computer and they said that there is no operating OS.

Screams,then cries like a little girl:’( (…er…whatever)

Then I needed to reinstall Windows and it took about an hour and a half. I set up OpenSuse and it took less than half hour. I might be picky about the time, but it means that I had to reinstall all of my programs (wireless card, graphics card, etc) when SuSE does it right away.

I want to go up to Bill Gates and kick him in the nutsack.

Lesson: Never use Windows, unless you are in a dire situation.

Yes I’m a newbie, but I love OpenSuse more than Micro$**** (I know…sort of a potty mouth. Sorry)and I was a MS user since the day I came out of the womb. Surprisingly Terminal in OS brings back Ms DOS memories.

If I have questions, you’ll know I’ll post it in the forums.

Hadesgirl

#2

So – not keen on Bill then, are we?

#3

You are right - Windows is slow to install. And what bugs me with XP is you can’t just walk away and leave it, the darn thing keeps asking for more input. But - give it it’s due, XP has proved to be a fairly OK system. And sad to say, windows users are going to wonder wtf is going on - The Vista fiasco and now 7?

I have been repairing a few XP machines of late and quite honsetly, XP is now quite archaic. Whereas, it once seemed so intuitive picking up drivers and so forth. To me, a distro like openSUSE 11.1 is streets ahead and so much easier and quicker to setup.

#4

Think it’s Steve now :stuck_out_tongue:

#5

Not to totally kick you when you are down or to take away from a perfectly good rant, but you probably didn’t have to totally reinstall Windows.

My guess is what happened is that when you took out the partitions with Suse on them, you took out the Grub bootloader, which is why it said there was no OS installed. The MBR was just pointing to a file that didn’t exist anymore.

To fix it, you should have been able to just boot from the Windows disk and do a

fdisk /mbr

or

fixmbr

from recovery mode and your Windows would have booted up fine.

Or when you reinstalled openSuse, it probably would have detected the Windows install and added to the Grub list.

However, it still sucks how much longer Windows takes to install, plus the fact that I have to go searching for drivers and all the programs I had installed. In Linux I don’t have to really look for drivers and any special (read - not in the repos) software that I need, I just install in a separate partition so that if I need to reinstall, it’s still there. With MS’s use of the registry, I usually can’t do this in Windows.

#6

> “elserj” <elserj@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote in
> message news:elserj.3ouv0n@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org…
>
> --------------------
> fixmbr
> --------------------
> from recovery mode and your Windows would have booted up fine.

Another useful one along a similar vein is:

fixboot

Not entirely sure how it differs from fixmbr but it’s another one to keep in
your toolbelt.

–
AZC

#7

Someone needed to stop me on my rant. I didn’t even know about fdisk /mbr.
Thanks for not laughing at me for not knowing that (yeah, yeah. Been laughed at before, even though I’ve been around computers for most of my life.)

Thanks for making me feel welcome!
:wink:

#8

Someone needed to stop me on my rant. I didn’t even know about fdisk /mbr.
Thanks for not laughing at me for not knowing that (yeah, yeah. Been laughed at before, even though I’ve been around computers for most of my life.)

Thanks for making me feel welcome!

No problem. If you had only ever dealt with MS’s bootloader, there probably isn’t much reason you would have seen it before.

MS’s bootloader is notorious for being completely unaware of non-MS OS’s. That is why it is easier to install Windows first, then any other OS’s. Other boot loaders will recognize another OS is installed and go, “Oh, would you like to choose which one to boot”, while the MS bootloader will just install over whatever you have and assume you would only use MS OS’s.

After you have dealt with boot loader issues often enough, you will find just how useful the fdisk /mbr is.

#9

And I guarantee, that in time you too will come to detest Suse in the same way that you hate Microsoft,believe me you will, I know.I have been there.Let me say from the begining I really wanted to like Suse,really I did,like many people i was sick of the issues many of us have experienced with Microsoft, the instability,the vulnerability etc…Suse seemed like a real alternative but let me say this for the record.Suse is like being married to the Devils daughter and living with the in-laws.Suse promised to be a great alternative, but its not today,it is not tomorrow, but maybe one day…just maybe!!. Of all the Linux distros you could have chosen,you have chosen THE MOST geekish one there is.Ask yourself one simple question. In XP,when was the last time you needed to use the command prompt? not many i bet.in Suse this is an almost daily occurrence, and how many types of terminals do you need!!installing new software is unintuitive and a pain in the backside at best.Want to use all those Microsoft programmes that you have accumulated over the years , forget it,they wont work!!. O yes they will,i hear the community shout,you can install wine of any number of emulators. Great!! show me a single website that explains in a language we can all understand how to download it,where to find it on your computer once you have downloaded it and how to use it .Answer NONE!! not bloody one trust me i know.Do you have a built in SD card reader for your laptop,youll never be able to use that again either.no drivers!! Do you like playing games that use Shockwave Player. yes you guessed it. have a favourite Canon printer, yes that too wont work how about your 2 year old digital camera that came with windows software yes all this and much much more wont work on Suse. I could go on and on am more than happy to share my experiences with you .

#10

So, back to windows is it? Sure you wouldn’t like to solve the odd problem first?

#11

Windows programs don’t work in Linux? :eek:

Say it ain’t so…

#12

[QUOTE=;2044987]I could go on and on am more than happy to share my experiences with you .[/QUOTE]Hey samcasamassa,

Did you have any luck with the advice given to you in this thread: Please please help!! How to remove Suse 11.1 - openSUSE Forums
… we did our best to help you in your request, but other than the RANT above, you did not give us much information in return so that we could learn how to improve our response …

Please note we are a support forum, not the packagers of openSUSE. Still, I would not be telling the truth if I did not state that a number of us (myself for example) do like openSUSE a lot.

If you would post a request for help, I suspect many of use could have helped you with your problems.

Command Line. Reference the above post about using the command line in WinXP, about 4 hours ago I was trying to help a WinXP user expand an NTFS file system to fill the entire partition. We went to the Microsoft web site, and the advice we were given by Microsoft were all DOS commands using ‘diskpart’. … Gosh, … so much for Windows not using command line. So to answer your question, when was the last time on WinXP, my answer is: 4 hours ago.

But I don’t mind. Maybe I am one of the geeks, as I do like the command line. Still, if you have problems with the Linux command line, please post asking for help, and I suspect one of us will do our best to try help you.

Terminals. As for how many types of terminals do you need, that puzzled me. Is there a problem there? How many do you want. I only use BASH.

Software Installation. Reference installing software, once you get the hang of it you will find it is more intuitive and EASIER if one has 4 repositories setup in their software package manager (OSS, non-OSS, update and packman). Its faster than WinXP and much much easier. BUT it is very different from the Windoze way of surf thru advertisement infested sites to find the app, followed by downloading the app, followed by scanning the app for virus, followed by installing the app and then getting a dozen zone alarm warnings that could be trojans, forcing dozens of minutes searching to see what the zone alarm warnings are going on about? With openSUSE, its one click or two clicks on the software package manager and the application installs. Very easy and intuitive in Linux. No virus scan. No zone alarm. No trash sites with a zillion adverts.

If you have a problem installing software, please post asking for help, and I suspect one of us will do our best to try help you.

Microsoft programs on Linux. Reference using Microsoft programs, well I agree with you 100%. If you want to use Microsoft programs, you should be using a Microsoft OS. But there are many good Linux programs as well. As for wine, it works ok for simple applications. For example, I like to use the application “autostitch” (a Windoze app). To use it I just type “wine autostitch.exe”. And it runs. Thats it. Thats all. Thats not so hard. NOW try to run a Linux program on WinXP ! :slight_smile: But back to your point, if you have a problem with wine, please post asking for help, and I suspect one of us will do our best to try help you.

SD card reader. Reference your SD card reader for your laptop, you have a good point there. Before you purchased your laptop did you 1st check to see if your laptop was Linux compatible? I hope so. That really is important to do so. My Dell Studio 1537 laptop (and also my Fujitsu Siemens Amilo M7400 laptop) both have openSUSE-11.1 installed and the SD card reader works well. Better under Linux infact than it works under Windoze. But I confess I checked 1st BEFORE I purchased the laptop to see if the Laptop worked well under Linux. Still, if you have a problem with the SD card reader, please post asking for help, and I suspect one of us will do our best to try help you.

Games in Linux. Reference Games, I have to agree with you again. You have a good point. winXP is a far better platform than Linux for games. Also, to the best of my knowledge there is no shockwave player for Linux, and if that is important to you, then IMHO its best to stay with Windoze, where there is a good shockwave app.

Printers in Linux. Reference printers, I have an HP printer and it works well. HP make a good effort to support Linux. Still, even HP printers can have problems with Linux, so before I purchased my printer I 1st checked to see if it worked easily and well with Linux. Did you 1st check to see if your printer was Linux compatible? I hope so. That really is important to do so. Canon do not support Linux very well, so I can not in all good faith recommend one of their printers without first checking to see if that printer works under Linux. Fortunately printers are inexpensive (its the cartridges that are costly) so its not a major expense to get a Linux compatible printer. Still, its possible your Canon printer is supported. If you have a problem with the Canon printer, please post asking for help, and I suspect one of us will do our best to try help you.

Digital Cameras in Linux. Reference digital cameras, I have purchased 4 over the past 9 years. Everyone of them were Canon, and they all worked with Linux. My new Canon HF S10 Camcorder also works well with Linux. But its important to check 1st before purchase to see if one’s planned digital camera works easily and well with Linux. Did you 1st check to see if your camera was Linux compatible? I hope so. That really is important to do so. Still, its possible your camera is supported. If you have a problem with the camera, please post asking for help, and I suspect one of us will do our best to try help you.

Best Wishes. Anyway, best wishes to you what ever OS you end up on. We tried our best to help you in your one and only help request on this forum.

We have a number of volunteer users who will try help with any technical requests you may have.

A note to other openSUSE users on this thread, who like me really like openSUSE. Please park your flame throwers away from this thread.

We will lock this thread if it degrades.

#13

Some not all people have varying levels of success and frustration - that’s the human experience.

Best effort I try to empart to anyone is to understand from the start that there is no correct or final operating system. They all evolve and experience levels of growing pains. Windows can’t survive without hardware developers supplying the needed drivers. Linux can’t survive without people willing to contribute hard and soft solutions when developers drop the ball.

It’s a matter of perpective, I like the perspective of having a community that can jump in at times of need to help fill in gaps. It makes the end result much more attainable.

thanks to those who strive to help, thanks to those who post their problems that make building a better OS possible through seeing the problems and what sulutions were possible.

#14

> show me a single website that explains in a language
> we can all understand

your inability to understand with no study the advanced language of a
progressive (and many [including me] believe, superior) operating
system is understandable, very understandable…

the pre-study ignorance of any language is one of the unavoidable
barriers that all of us who now use Linux daily had to get past…

if you are unwilling to make the effort, then perhaps you are better
off using a system with less intellectual and self-study demands…

if Linux were free and easy there would be no room in the
marketplace for anything else…today, there exists choices for both
you and technically, study time or intellectually challenged
masses…i’d suggest you chose one you like better than the openSUSE
and Redmond offerings you have tried…

some folks LOVE their Mac immediately, maybe you will too…and,
most who love their Mac are absolutely convinced that the extra money
you pay for it is WELL worth the ease of understanding and use you
receive…

ymmv

–
platinum
have seen but never actually touched a Mac…but, may someday…

#15

I want to go up to Bill Gates and kick him in the nutsack.

hahahaha, that made me laugh so hard rotfl!. I’ll tell you what, I’ll buy you the boots ;).

caf4926 - …and what bugs me with XP is you can’t just walk away and leave it, the darn thing keeps asking for more input.

What amazes me is how they managed to programme it so that it never asks any questions when you are standing in front of it waiting, but as soon as you turn your back to do something else, or lift your coffee cup, the blasted thing pops up a question dialogue box!!

That must be the single most amazing and annoying piece of programming in the history of the universe :sarcastic:

#16

Microsoft is making use of the 80986 process instruction dmovq2scrnulessbusy which caches popups until user is busy then moves them to the screen for immediate action. If you don’t know assembly, it translates as :
‘don’t move question 2 screen unless user is busy’
in code:
doannoy:
mov dx,@question
Pushcache dx
test @busy
ret neq
mov dx,@scrnbuf
popcache @dx
call annoy_user
call next_question
jmp doannoy

hope this clears it up!

#17

hahahaha, well done techwiz03, I laughed so hard my eyes watered rotfl!

#18

samcasamassa wrote:
> In XP,when was the last time you
> needed to use the command prompt?
I am run Windows 7 (last RC) in VirtualBox, I was need network. system does
not see samba share that virtualbox provide. @some windows forum I got an
proposal
C:>net use E: \vboxsvr\MyShareName
I did this month ago or so
But point of your question, I guess another, I like command line. and use
it everyday (I have a gui alternative, but I often choose command line) I am
not a geek. I am just user(working with graphics)

> installing new software is unintuitive and a pain in the backside
> at best.
when the double-clicking on the program become unintuitive? I just installed
Medusa 4, Cycas, afaik Maya, google-earth has same installers. All
commercial progs have gui installers afaik
as for free software
#zypper in blender
does not boiling me at all :slight_smile:
where is difficulty?
> Want to use all those Microsoft programmes that you have
> accumulated over the years, forget it,they wont work!!.
if you will buy new car did you take peacies from old one?
> Great!! show me a single website that explains in a language
> we can all understand how to download it, where to find it on your
> computer once you have downloaded it and how to use it .Answer NONE!!
hope you kidding
http://en.opensuse.org/Wine
if you not satisfied with it, you can make it better

you can use webpin
http://packages.opensuse-community.org
to find wine latest package and install in throw on-click installer
is it hard?


~>su
#zypper ar
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Emulators:/Wine/openSUSE_11.1 wine
#zypper in wine

> have a favourite Canon printer, yes that too
sorry but I have Canon LBP2900 Laser printer it has some issues (but it can
be usefull)
Also I have experience with Canon iP4500 and iP3500they works good
> wont work how about your 2 year old digital camera
> that came with windows software
doesn’t matter what sw come with your camera. my cam kodak z650 works just
fine. I am even did not open cd that ships with. It works like flash-drive.
Nokia 6120c also works fine

WBR

#19

Officially i.e. from Professional view ] I don’t hate MicRo$0ft. :slight_smile:

If your client want to use all M$ software’s we can’t deny because it’s all about business. We have to have stick our eyes to that blue circle in V1st@ @ in 7 ] which keeps rotating when we click on save or open application button. :stuck_out_tongue:

But personally 60% out of 100% I like Linux against Windows depending on which app I am going to use to optimize my processor, ram & HDD. lol!

#20

Wow, so much time spent in hating something. Time that can be dedicated to fix Linux’ problems… uummm like, make Linux NOT have a sh|tty sound system that makes you pull out your hair when configuring 7.1-channels? Make Linux have an universal package format? Make Linux have a decent competitor to DirectX (no my friends, SDL is not even close to it), make Linux remove orphaned packages that are still left after one has installed something but are no longer used by anything else? Make Linux be fully POSIX compliant? Make Linux have ‘professional’ video and audio editing/composing software à la Cubase, ACID Pro, Sony Vegas, Reason/Rebirth? Make Linux have a decent sound plugin/effects system (LADSPA is a joke)? …