I’m running SUSE 12.1 with KDE 4.7.2 and I’m trying to get my HP Laserjet 5 printer setup. It’s listed under printers in my hardware information as HP LaserJet 5 (/dev/lp0), but when I go to the printer setup it’s not listed. I’m not sure what to try next since I know SUSE sees the printer but it doesn’t show up on the printer setup.
On 2012-06-26 01:26, fucodclown wrote:
> information as HP LaserJet 5 (/dev/lp0),
Did you modprobe the parallel port module?
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
Thanks for the help, from your post I was able to find that I needed to install “parallel-printer-support”, not sure why it wasn’t installed I’ve never had to do it manually before, and that fixed it.
Thanks again
Dan
On 06/26/2012 03:26 AM, fucodclown wrote:
> I’ve never had to do it manually before
you didn’t write the timeline, but if it is a new printer being added to
the system, or an old printer which was not attached to the machine, or
not turned on during install then the install script would have no way
to detect that parallel printer support might some day in the future be
needed . . .
otoh, i’m surprised that when you provoked printer setup in YaST (i
assume with the printer connected and turned on if that is what the
HP installation instructions directed]) the setup routine failed to
detect the need for, and install the required module…
i’d say if you followed the directions provided by HP and the Help
(button) in YaST > Hardware > Printer Configurations and met with the
described problem, then you either need to inform HP their directions
are insufficient, or log a bug against YaST…or both…
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dd
On 2012-06-26 03:26, fucodclown wrote:
>
> Thanks for the help, from your post I was able to find that I needed to
> install “parallel-printer-support”, not sure why it wasn’t installed
> I’ve never had to do it manually before, and that fixed it.
Because the parallel port is considered outdated, that very few people use
it; the module is no longer loaded by default, but instead manually by
people that use it.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
On 2012-06-26 08:52, dd@home.dk wrote:
> On 06/26/2012 03:26 AM, fucodclown wrote:
> otoh, i’m surprised that when you provoked printer setup in YaST (i assume
> with the printer connected and turned on if that is what the HP
> installation instructions directed]) the setup routine failed to detect the
> need for, and install the required module…
No, it is a known problem with the parallel port nowdays.
I don’t remember offhand the exact incantation needed, but I do know that
it is needed.
> i’d say if you followed the directions provided by HP and the Help
> (button) in YaST > Hardware > Printer Configurations and met with the
> described problem, then you either need to inform HP their directions are
> insufficient, or log a bug against YaST…or both…
Which would be closed immediately as wontfix, as it is considered a feature
>:-)
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
On 06/26/2012 01:08 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> it is considered a feature
a “feature” sure to aggravate the user of all PC’s with a parallel port,
i guess…
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dd
On 2012-06-26 13:47, dd@home.dk wrote:
> On 06/26/2012 01:08 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> it is considered a feature
>
> a “feature” sure to aggravate the user of all PC’s with a parallel port, i
> guess…
It saves memory and resources for the majority of current users, and the
people that need it, a minority, can load the module. The removal was
intentional, so a bugzilla about that will be (was) wontfixed.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
On 06/26/2012 04:08 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> It saves memory and resources for the majority of current users, and the
> people that need it, a minority, can load the module. The removal was
> intentional, so a bugzilla about that will be (was) wontfixed.
sorry, i didn’t write clearly enough:
i wasn’t suggesting an unneeded kernel module should be default
installed auto-loaded on every openSUSE system…
nope, instead i think that YaST’s printer setup section ought to ‘know’
how to test to see if a parallel port printer is connected (or at least
ask the user how the printer to set up is connected (if it ‘sees’ no
printer), and in either case YaST should ‘know’ how to download and
install the needed kernel module, when it is needed…
further, the CD/DVD install script should have the ability to detect and
query a connected and turned on parallel/serial port device–even if
that requires it to be running with that kernel module installed for
the installed phase…
hmmm…i wonder if the install disk’s system still ‘sees’ mice or
keyboards plugged into PS2 connectors…and, i guess it does–if so,
why might parallel not be?
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dd
On 06/26/2012 09:50 AM, dd@home.dk wrote:
>
> hmmm…i wonder if the install disk’s system still ‘sees’ mice or keyboards
> plugged into PS2 connectors…and, i guess it does–if so, why might parallel
> not be?
The majority of drivers are loaded as a result of finding the IDs for that
device when scanning the various buses on the machine. The parallel port is not
found by this process, thus automatically loading the driver is not possible. It
must be manual. When most machines had and used the parallel port, it made sense
to load that driver for every machine. Now it does not.
Note that PS/2 keyboards and mice are also not found by scanning the bus - only
the USB varieties are detected this way. There is, however, a significant
difference for the PS/2 hardware in that it is detected by the BIOS. A printer
is not.
On 06/26/2012 05:31 PM, Larry Finger wrote:
> It must be manual. When most machines had and used the parallel port, it
> made sense to load that driver for every machine. Now it does not.
does it not make sense to load that module for every initial install
process, and then the install script can find the parallel port…and
react appropriately?
note: i have no parallel port either so my question is not driven from a
personal need…just, as i said earlier: i am surprised that the
detection is not automatic, at least during initial install…
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dd
Am 26.06.2012 18:53, schrieb dd@home.dk:
> does it not make sense to load that module for every initial install
> process, and then the install script can find the parallel port…and
> react appropriately?
Even if your mainboard has a parallel port that does not mean your
computer has one. That would probably lead to a lot of false positives.
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On 2012-06-26 18:53, dd@home.dk wrote:
> On 06/26/2012 05:31 PM, Larry Finger wrote:
>> It must be manual. When most machines had and used the parallel port, it
>> made sense to load that driver for every machine. Now it does not.
>
> does it not make sense to load that module for every initial install
> process, and then the install script can find the parallel port…and react
> appropriately?
>
> note: i have no parallel port either so my question is not driven from a
> personal need…just, as i said earlier: i am surprised that the
> detection is not automatic, at least during initial install…
No, detection is not automatic, it is primitive hardware. If I understand
correctly, the hardware is probed after you load the module, because it is
that module who does it.
However… you are right that YaST could do it in the printer module if you
tell it to install a printer that uses parallel port. But there are so many
things that should be done…
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
First of all we must be supported by openSUSE. Then Check the printer is it properly connected to the computer and then check the power of the PC. There is no need for installation on openSUSE for printing. And the next is the installation of the driver of printer on your computer.
I need help too. Running from 12.2RC live on a CD, I’m trying to set up a Brother MFC5895 on a wired network. CUPS is installed, but I get the message, “Sorry, the system printing service doesn’t seem to be available.” What do I need to get, install, or do?
There is no need any setup for printer because it is a plug and play with openSUSE. But it is necessary that your computer should supported with openSUSE. After that you should check your printer, it should connect to the computer. Then next step is the installation of driver of the printer.
Thanks. I’m sorry for the error. I have reposted at the appropriate place.