I have to delete .config just to login?

Hello Community:

Well, I decided enough of the “cute” OSs and installed OpenSuse 11.3 as my sole OS.

I have installed three times today.
The install goes well, no issues there, however, after the install, I run Updates and once that’s complete, I reboot and that is where the trouble starts.

The first 2 times, (I installed with Auto-magic Login enabled) all I could get was a black background and what the Mac community calls the “spinning wheel of death”. Well since I automatically logged in I could not determine if it was a System issue or a Profile issue, hence the re-install.

I first thought it was a kernel update problem, but hey, the system boots, so that didn’t seem logical.

I had on this install had it happen also, but I (thankfully) was able to graphically login as root and delete my /home/jj/.config and /home/jj/.gconf (going by previous experience with a similar issue on other OSs).

I notice that after the install and during the update that my Desktop Effects turned themselves off.
I know this because Docky tells me so when I run it.
Another issue is I run kmahjongg or kbounce (Wife’s Games) and the TitleBar is missing so this forces
me to (re)run metacity --replace to get WM handles back.

Everything is stable at the moment, but I hesitate to reboot the system.
I have logged out and back in with everything being retained.

What could the problem be?
Any info you require, I will provide.

Thank you for your time.

What video card do you have and did you install the right driver for it?

read this openSUSE Graphic Card Practical Theory Guide for Users

Thanks for asking…

Lenovo Laptop with
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)

openSUSE Graphic Card Practical Theory Guide for Users:Intel Graphic Hardware says…

intel - this is an free open source driver for all Intel hardware. The “intel”](http://intellinuxgraphics.org/) driver supports the i810, i810-DC100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 852GM, 855GM, 865G, 915G, 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 965G, 965Q, 946GZ, 965GM, 945GME, G33, Q33, Q35, G35, GM45, G45, Q45, G43 and G41 chipsets. This driver should have much better performance than the VESA driver. It typically comes packaged with openSUSE as part of xorg-x11-driver-video rpm.

rpm -qa | grep xorg-x11-driver-video
xorg-x11-driver-video-intel-legacy-2.9.1-1.9.i586
xorg-x11-driver-video-7.5-15.2.i586
xorg-x11-driver-video-radeonhd-1.3.0_20100325_f6c9991-1.13.i586
xorg-x11-driver-video-nouveau-0.0.15_20100401_bfb95cc-1.10.i586

I await further instruction.

Thank you for your time.

There have been reported problems with some Intel chips. I use NVIDIA so can’t really help but you may try searching the board. As I understand they are kernel related and effect all distros that use that particular kernel. But someone with more experience with Intel should jump in now.

Well, Thank you just the same!

I appreciate it.

Seems that there is a number of “concerned users” of the 945GM chipset on 11.3,
so while I wait, I am grabbing the 11.2 DVD which a couple of posts suggest that
the chipset worked fine with.

I’ll check back here “tomorrow”…

Thank you!

Habitual wrote:
> and what the Mac community calls the “-spinning- wheel of -death-”.
>
some here have no idea what that means (like me, who also has not seen
a BSOD since Win3.1) so, let me suggest when you post here, until
you learn what folks here might call it, describe it (black screen
with log in prompt???)

> but I (thankfully) was able to graphically login as root

most experienced/old heads around agree it is practically never good,
nor required to do that…almost always puts one in a position to do
lots more harm than good…

some have the policy that they won’t help users who log into the GUI
as root, simply because there are so many little ways to scramble up
things and cause “little problems” which show strange symptoms
impossible to track down on scene, much less via words…

> and delete my /home/jj/.config and /home/jj/.gconf (going by
> previous experience with a similar issue on other OSs).

unfortunately, not all experience on other OSs leads to happy endings
in linux…

i highly doubt that .config or .gconf contains all that you might
think it does…and, until you know your way better around this
jungle you might try renaming instead of deleting…because otherwise
you are likely to either loose something you wish you had not, or
destroy the evidence of the real problem which just needed a little
tweak and not a wholesale kill and start over…

and, by the way: this is not normally an OS which is ‘fixed’ by just
doing another install…and, hoping this time it gets done ok

> What could the problem be?

probably video driver…but, i see others are already going down that
path with you…

but, i wanna ask, (since “garbage in garbage out” is still true) did
you do this before beginning the install: http://tinyurl.com/25ydj4a

if you didn’t then maybe your only problem is trying to install from
faulty media…GIGO

welcome…


DenverD
CAVEAT: http://is.gd/bpoMD [posted via NNTP w/openSUSE 10.3]

Try booting after writing ‘nomodeset’ on the Options line. IIRC this works with some Intels.

Knurpht:

Thanks! I think I read some posts about this subject with your name on it.

I installed 11.2 and the login issue seems resolved, however (isn’t there always a ‘however’?)
running kmahjongg doesn’t have window decorations. No biggie, I’ll just tell the wife
to use the alternate Quit method (Ctl+Q). kbounce DOES have the decorations. Strange.

kmahjongg seems to be the only affected program.

I’m looking for stability, not fluff. :slight_smile:

Thank you for your time.

Thank you DenverD!

I will keep your concerns in mind “next time”.
11.2 does not have any of the noted issues. :slight_smile:

Well, nomodeset on the boot up works (so far after several boots).

sudo /usr/sbin/hwinfo --gfxcard
09: PCI 02.0: 0300 VGA compatible controller (VGA)
[Created at pci.318]
Unique ID: _Znp.CAkfXczn+87
SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.0
SysFS BusID: 0000:00:02.0
Hardware Class: graphics card
Model: “Intel 945 GM”
Vendor: pci 0x8086 “Intel Corporation”
Device: pci 0x27a2 “945 GM”
SubVendor: pci 0x17aa “Lenovo”
SubDevice: pci 0x2062
Revision: 0x03
Memory Range: 0xd0300000-0xd037ffff (rw,non-prefetchable)
I/O Ports: 0x1800-0x1807 (rw)
Memory Range: 0xc0000000-0xcfffffff (ro,non-prefetchable)
Memory Range: 0xd0400000-0xd043ffff (rw,non-prefetchable)
IRQ: 16 (15954 events)
I/O Ports: 0x3c0-0x3df (rw)
Module Alias: “pci:v00008086d000027A2sv000017AAsd00002062bc03sc00i00”
Driver Info #0:
XFree86 v4 Server Module: intel
Driver Info #1:
XFree86 v4 Server Module: intel
3D Support: yes
Extensions: dri
Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown

10: PCI 02.1: 0380 Display controller
[Created at pci.318]
Unique ID: ruGf.GswXt9dZsvD
SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.1
SysFS BusID: 0000:00:02.1
Hardware Class: graphics card
Model: “Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller”
Vendor: pci 0x8086 “Intel Corporation”
Device: pci 0x27a6 “Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller”
SubVendor: pci 0x17aa “Lenovo”
SubDevice: pci 0x2062
Revision: 0x03
Memory Range: 0xd0380000-0xd03fffff (rw,non-prefetchable)
Module Alias: “pci:v00008086d000027A6sv000017AAsd00002062bc03sc80i00”
Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown

What’s the next indicated step?
Thank you for your time.

eek. too late to edit.
I am following caf’s guidance in Blank screen on boot

I’ll be back. :slight_smile:

Well, I booted to runlevel 3
ran Xorg -configure
cp /root/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf and rebooted.

Making progress!
Desktop Effects are disabled (do I care? Not sure!)

uname -[ra] output:
2.6.34.7-0.5-default
Linux linux-4xi7.site 2.6.34.7-0.5-default #1 SMP 2010-10-25 08:40:12 +0200 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

rpm -qa | grep kernel output:
kernel-default-2.6.34.7-0.5.1.i586
kernel-firmware-20100617-2.2.noarch
kernel-default-base-2.6.34.7-0.5.1.i586

lspci -nnk output:
00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub [8086:27a0] (rev 03)
Subsystem: Lenovo Device [17aa:2061]
Kernel driver in use: agpgart-intel
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27a2] (rev 03)
Subsystem: Lenovo Device [17aa:2062]
00:02.1 Display controller [0380]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27a6] (rev 03)
Subsystem: Lenovo Device [17aa:2062]
00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:27d8] (rev 02)
Subsystem: Lenovo Device [17aa:2066]
Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel
00:1c.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 1 [8086:27d0] (rev 02)
Kernel driver in use: pcieport
00:1c.1 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 2 [8086:27d2] (rev 02)
Kernel driver in use: pcieport
00:1d.0 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #1 [8086:27c8] (rev 02)
Subsystem: Lenovo Device [17aa:206b]
Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
00:1d.1 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #2 [8086:27c9] (rev 02)
Subsystem: Lenovo Device [17aa:206c]
Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
00:1d.2 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #3 [8086:27ca] (rev 02)
Subsystem: Lenovo Device [17aa:206d]
Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
00:1d.3 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #4 [8086:27cb] (rev 02)
Subsystem: Lenovo Device [17aa:206e]
Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
00:1d.7 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB2 EHCI Controller [8086:27cc] (rev 02)
Subsystem: Lenovo Device [17aa:206f]
Kernel driver in use: ehci_hcd
00:1e.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge [8086:2448] (rev e2)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Intel Corporation 82801GBM (ICH7-M) LPC Interface Bridge [8086:27b9] (rev 02)
Subsystem: Lenovo Device [17aa:2071]
00:1f.2 IDE interface [0101]: Intel Corporation 82801GBM/GHM (ICH7 Family) SATA IDE Controller [8086:27c4] (rev 02)
Subsystem: Lenovo Device [17aa:2072]
Kernel driver in use: ata_piix
00:1f.3 SMBus [0c05]: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family SMBus Controller [8086:27da] (rev 02)
Subsystem: Lenovo Device [17aa:2073]
03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4321 802.11a/b/g/n [14e4:4328] (rev 01)
Subsystem: Broadcom Corporation Device [14e4:046e]
Kernel driver in use: b43-pci-bridge
05:01.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ [10ec:8139] (rev 10)
Subsystem: Lenovo Device [17aa:2074]
Kernel driver in use: 8139too
05:04.0 CardBus bridge [0607]: ENE Technology Inc CB1410 Cardbus Controller [1524:1410] (rev 01)
Subsystem: Lenovo Device [17aa:2075]
Kernel driver in use: yenta_cardbus
05:06.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394) [0c00]: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller [1180:0832]
Subsystem: Lenovo Device [17aa:2076]
Kernel driver in use: ohci1394
05:06.1 SD Host controller [0805]: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter [1180:0822] (rev 19)
Subsystem: Lenovo Device [17aa:2077]
Kernel driver in use: sdhci-pci
05:06.2 System peripheral [0880]: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C592 Memory Stick Bus Host Adapter [1180:0592] (rev 0a)
Subsystem: Lenovo Device [17aa:2079]
05:06.3 System peripheral [0880]: Ricoh Co Ltd xD-Picture Card Controller [1180:0852] (rev 05)
Subsystem: Lenovo Device [17aa:207a]

I hope this helps you help me, if there’s anything left to “help” with.

Thank you for your time.

A week without a reply.

Ya know what? It looks to me that the 2.6.34-x kernels suck for Intel vid cards and/or desktop effects (Yeah, it’s eye-candy, but it’s what I want)
I guess I could wait until 11.4 (I even tried 11.4 M4 but the video during the install was dodgy too) so NO THANKS.

I have a 10.3 LiveCD. I’ll install that and if the video/desktop effects doesn’t work, I’ll just chalk it up to “OpenSUSE sucks”.

A less-than-happy camper.

I really want/wanted to use OpenSUSE. :frowning:

i have a Lenovo 3000 N200 laptop with:

Vendor:  Intel Corporation
  Model:  965 GM
  2D driver:  intel
  3D driver:  Unknown classic (7.8.2)

(according to sysinfo).

11.3 works for me. I haven’t noticed anything odd with Gnome, but don’t really use Gnome much, but I did have to turn ‘desktop effects’ off manually to stop KDE crashing (the critical effect seemed to be something to do with window zooming (or, maybe, wobbling) as a window was minimised).

This hadn’t happened in earlier versions of KDE, and I’m not now sure exactly when it started happening, but I don’t think that it was when I first installed 11.3; maybe the relevant desktop effects weren’t being enabled then; maybe the problem came with one of the kde updates, I can’t be totally sure.

rpm -qa | grep xorg-x11-driver-video
xorg-x11-driver-video-intel-legacy-2.9.1-1.9.i586
xorg-x11-driver-video-7.5-15.2.i586
xorg-x11-driver-video-radeonhd-1.3.0_20100325_f6c9991-1.13.i586
xorg-x11-driver-video-nouveau-0.0.15_20100401_bfb95cc-1.10.i586

I’ll see your rp -qa and raise you a very similar rpm -qa

rpm -qa | grep xorg-x11-driver-video
xorg-x11-driver-video-radeonhd-1.3.0_20100325_f6c9991-1.13.i586
xorg-x11-driver-video-7.5-15.2.i586
xorg-x11-driver-video-nouveau-0.0.15_20100401_bfb95cc-1.10.i586
xorg-x11-driver-video-intel-legacy-2.9.1-1.9.i586

“With OpenSUSE 11.3 we are switching to KMS (Kernel Mode Setting) for Intel, ATI, and nVidia graphics which is now our default. If you encounter problems with the KMS Driver … disable KMS by adding nomodeset…”

Which I read as
“…we are switching to KMS (Kernel Mode Setting) for Intel, ATI, and nVidia graphics which is (now) our (de)fault

and if you don’t like it, here’s how you turn it off.(nomodeset).

I wish I could just use the 11.2 kernel on 11.3 and be done with it, or maybe compile a kernel myself (it’s been 13 years since I have had to).
funny the 11.3 LiveCD does allow Desktop Effects (I am not sure about the resolution however) but as soon as I hit Updates —> toast.

If 11.4 doesn’t do something for my issue, I believe I’ll wait until 11.5 and pray that a solution (besides turning Desktop Effects off, or nomodeset) is presented.

I have a 10.3 LiveCD that I could install, but my only concern with doing so is that (Security) updates will not be available (and they aren’t, see [opensuse-announce] Advance notice of discontinuation of openSUSE 10.3](http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/2009-08/msg00008.html))

I have 11.2 but suspect that those REPOs will be “unavailable” soon’ish to “free space” on mirror servers. free space my left-foot. Disk Space is cheaper than a Starbucks cup of coffee.

Forced obsolescence?

I remain hopeful.