>:)Is there a way to do .flv in Firefox in any other way but Flush or Shocknave?
Their plugin is absolute garbage. I’ve never seen such poor performance from a single piece of software.
Does it have to be 14MB? What does it do that VLC doesn’t? Why can’t we use VLC plugin to handle these blotchy, choppy, ugly, poorly compressed web vids?
I guess VLC just doesn’t do blotchy, choppy, ugly, poorly compressed. OH WELL.
Adobe has, possibly illegally, cornered the market on blotchy, choppy, ugly, poorly compressed web vids and I’m pissed.
You should be too.
Where’s the 64b version? I tried it and It don’t work. HA, losers. That’s right I just called you Adobe losers losers. Cause you ARE. All the money in the world and this is all you can come up with?
You don’t seem to putter around when it comes to getting OVERPRICED software licenses out to the gullible masses.
Because of GIMP and Blender and Okular I DON’T NEED YOU.
AT ALL. NEVER FOR ANYTHING.
EXCEPT FLASH PLAYER.
AND IT RUNS LIKE ****.
****!
Their 3D PDF, however, is simply fantastic. And supported in Acrobat reader for linux.
But yes, I use smplayer to run flv. For streaming in firefox 3.6.10 x86_64 the plugin is:
File: npwrapper.libflashplayer.so
Version: Shockwave Flash 10.1 r85
It runs ok, no problems here.
OpenSuse 11.1, KDE 3.5.10
Well I like the way you think. So I’m installing Acro reader right now.
WOWEE, 145MB installed.
There are graphical operating systems that take less space.
This better be good.
Yeah, it’s already not. Of course if you use their second rate .bin it feeds back nothing. Links nothing. So I just started it from CL. The first thing it says is that there is a new security thing. So, yes.
And OK yee haw. It worked for about three minutes before the picture disappeared. It was definitely cool for the three minutes it worked. I saw little red cars driving by a high rise building and I rotated my view and the stupid tools window kept popping up directly in front of the thing I was trying to view. and there was a window header that said something about signatures and had a button for signature something and I clicked it and the side bar opened and the little 3d view window turned grey never to return.
Well now it seems to running right. I restarted it and I saw a little helicopter and traffic. Very cute you cute little Adobe guys.
The example I’m viewing is amateurish at best.
Here’s the thing. A 3MB .blend file could contain lots more than that does. And trace shadows and bumps with the hardware I’m running. And blender loads faster, and you don’t have to agree to some stupid arbitrary whatever that thing is.
And when I reloaded it still asked me about putting in the security patch and told me to choose a directory for internet something.
Cheap unfinished software. Why ship junk before it is useable? Even free software writers let you know that their current version is not stable, just to be nice, and I have found them to be very careful and reliable. Fact is, if I was making presentations in 3d .pdf format and this how they turned out I’d feel stupid.
Especially if I was using Microstation at the cost of several thousand dollars. What a crock.
We need the someone to come up with a decent plugin based on blender for 3d content.
This is a joke. Adobe billionaires should be burying their heads in the sand.
I think you’re missing the point.
It allows interactive 3D models in PDF files witch is the “de facto” non-editable document exchange format nowadays. 3D modeling is extensively used in the oil industry, for example, and makes for a great tool to communicate design layouts - offshore modules, processing plants, etc.
P.S.: I wouldn’t know about shiny little cars, I haven’t been muh interested in them in the last 30 or 40 years… 
At one time virtually every website seemed to need its own plug-in for media streaming and display. It was a pain in the a** for users, who would end up installing dozens of plug-ins, some only used one time. I once used a plug-in called “Alice” on my website, but I doubt anybody has heard about it here. A standard had to be chosen, and for various reasons Flash was preferred by Web developers. It should have been an open standard, but Flash has actually served pretty well, despite all of its flaws. It’s really up to the developer to get optimal performance, and the user to avoid security holes.
It pops up when the cursor is on the image. Yes, it is a bit annoying, but if you move the cursor out of the picture the pop-up closes. Not very hard to do… And they’ll probably include a setting to change that to a right-click or something - if it’s not already there, I didn’t look.
About bloated: yes, it is. BUT AFAIK it is still the fastest viewer in linux if you zoom and pan. I think it has something like AutoCAD’s display list, while kpdf/gsview/etc. seem to generate a new bitmap of the PDF every time you zoom in or out. It also rotates the view 90 degrees, something that I’ve only seen in konqueror’s kghostview-part.
And it’s free, so I’m not complaining. If you don’t like it, then don’t use it. I only do when I must, for everyday use kpdf-part in konqueror works fine for me.
Poppler lacks a lot of features (and GNUpdf doesn’t even have an official release yet). But rotating 90 degrees?? Okular does that without problems, and I’m sure most other viewers also can.
At one time virtually every website seemed to need its own plug-in for media streaming and display. It was a pain in the a** for users, who would end up installing dozens of plug-ins, some only used one time.
I remember those days. It truly was outrageous. It’s part of the reason I’m personally so grateful for the work that’s being done in the open software community. I tell people that I’ve completely converted to Linux and free software and I think that they still don’t understand that if all of this work was not occurring the free flow of information would be tremendously hampered. These billionaires will use any trick they can dream up to extort money from each of us. If there’s something they know we want they will try to keep it from us until they get their cut.
Example: Watching DVDs that you own on your own computer may or may not be legal for us here because we who use the codecs packages did not pay for the other whatever it is that they want us to pay for. Mist of us don’t even know what that is. We didn’t pay for it when we bought the DVD player that collects dust upon our TV set. Or did we? I don’t know and I don’t care for effs sake. I bought the **** stinkin DVD and I want to watch it. It’s mine!
Here’s the point about Adobe that I’ve been thinking about:
I feel bad for all of those poor suckers who’ve dumped thousands of dollars into the coffers so these self-compartmentalized egomaniacs can ride private jets to eat steak in Japan whenever they are drunk enough to feel the urge to do so. In the mean time they hold the reigns (source) of these projects in an effort to keep them out of the hands of open developers who, given the chance, would contribute the real time and effort it takes to make them work correctly.
At very least they could do what Google does with Earth and Markup. Incidentally, if I ever need to do some kind of 3d interactive thing I’ll use that.
There is also a way to make Blender models into executables and pass them out for people to navigate. Literally, 1232% better than what I saw of this PDF thing.
What historical debacle occurred to throw this important of a project onto these clowns? And who EVER thought that they would do it right?
I’m sure you are right. But as I noted in post #2 I’m running oS 11.1 KDE 3.5 in my production machines. And Okular, when I tried it in a test machine, would open an instance for each PDF, instead of allowing me to open them in tabs as I can do in konqueror. Indeed, production-wise, the emasculated konqueror in 11.2 onwards is the main show-stopper for me. It is a most versatile tool in 3.5, not so in 4.x. And Dolphin is simply not in the same level, feels like annoying kid stuff for me.
But i did like the annotation capabilities in Okular. 
Contrary to other proprietary document viewers at the time (the nineties IINM), they published the PDF format, so anyone can read it. Like Openoffice, for instance 
Almost anyone that uses PDF, I think. It’s ubiquitous. But again, if you don’t like it, don’t use it. It’s simple like that.
Now, I confess I’m having fun with this thread, and I hope you are too. I specially liked the reference to small red cars. 
Yeah, this is a ton O’ fun.
As for the concept of “use it or don’t” I may be a little behind, but the last time I tried to use swf installed through Yast it didn’t work at all. And when you look it up in Yast and the wiki it indicates there are some things that are still not working.
My theory:
They are unable to get some things to work because the retentive pirates at Adobe will clutch for dear life to the info they need to make the thing work right. If they have the monopoly on the player they can also have the monopoly on the content generators. (Creative Suite To be specific. Go ahead, price it, if you are not already outraged.)
Imagine being a recent grad, trying to start up as a content producer and having to shell out this extortion. All due to the fact that Adobe is all that is taught in the schools. It’s pitiful, but as a student, you have no way of knowing that your education is incomplete. If Master Yoda had taught like that we would probably have been a colony of the Empire a long time ago. You could forget about freedom then. And free software too.
The other thing I’m curious about is Firefox and how they are handling the torrential cluster of automatic crash reports gushing in due to crashes caused by Adobe Flush Player. The toilet of all software. Written by turd mongers. Under the supervision of sewage wallowing corporate swine.
But yes, I use smplayer to run flv. For streaming in firefox 3.6.10 x86_64 the plugin is:
File: npwrapper.libflashplayer.so
Version: Shockwave Flash 10.1 r85
It runs ok, no problems here.
OK, I just had to come back to this because I just checked my process table and this is using between 10 and 36 percent of my processor:
plugin-containe
/usr/lib64/xulrunner-1.9.2.12/plugin-container /usr/lib64/browser-plugins/libflashplayer.so 6748 true
This is not rendering my machine useless for anything else, but I can definitely feel the lag. If I’m doing something wrong please let me know what it is.
It is using a whopping 129M of memory. All because I’m running Pandora Radio. That’s it.
I admit, I don’t write code, and I’m not even great at building other peoples’ code (about 30% success raterotfl!). But as a user I find this to be aggravating.
I don’t know definitively, but this is worse than just bloated code. Is it not also poor system resource management? I know that the hardware producers and Microsoft have this thing they do to promote sales by bogging down hardware and frustrating people into upgrades. Is Adobe doing it too? I wouldn’t be surprised.
I guess I wouldn’t be quite so bothered if the thing actually worked well, but the frame rate gets as low as 5-10 frames per second. When I try to watch NBC.com or Comedy Central even the ads play very poorly. I would like to these high $$ companies put some pressure to try and get a decent player for their sponsors to have reasonably decent transmission.
Maybe, donating to a couple of projects: VLC, Blender, for instance would trigger some solutions from the writers who develop superior software. (nudge nudge to advertisers / entertainment providers)
Reminder: donating is also tax deductible in many cases.
In my humble opinion (that’s right, humble!) sponsors should be very concerned about the inability for the market to receive the message that is so expensive to deliver.
I hope some of the people involved in advertising run across this via Google to get an idea of what is happening, because on the internet, most of the ads are parsed by flashplayer. And as long as Adobe refuses to let anyone work on a truly functional player for their insidious format they are throwing money down the toilet.
Incidentally, I discovered openSUSE through this forum several years ago and my life is better because of it.
Now there seems(SEEMS) to be a 64 bit player in adobe labs