As a long time Debian sid-unstable user I know what hurdles to expect from Tumbleweed. So I inserted a paragraph:
When you should keep staying at stable release
Above I inserted a new title “What we aim for”.
About that paragraph I am very, very unsure. I didn’t write that text! Hasn’t Greg just stated:
openSUSE Release Upgrades will to have be done by Tumbleweed users. Tumbleweed is just an additional repo based on the actual release?
Also I am unhappy with the first topic paragraph stating:
You have to compile proprietary graphics drivers from source. That would exclude all of us from using Tumbleweed, because the source code of a proprietary graphics driver has never been seen in the wild.
Further explanation why I doubt Tumbleweed will be rolling forever. Just one example of a structural change which might be just too havy for Tumbleweed to manage:
At Debian experimental repo these days there comes a new initscripts package with a long of a Changelog I have never seen. But this is just about one change of a coming new first level directory:
/run
A week before Debian unstable had an udev upgrade which should have only to prepare that major structural change of initscripts. But all of us Debian unstable users where not able to boot any more …
We have our own Forum. And a first portal page of a project is not the place for a tutorial of “how to subscribe a mailing list” which is not related in project hierarchy!
On 2011-04-26 03:06, gregkh wrote:
>
> ulenrich;2329683 Wrote:
>> Also I am unhappy with the first topic paragraph stating:
>> You have to compile proprietary graphics drivers from source. That
>> would exclude all of us from using Tumbleweed, because the source code
>> of a proprietary graphics driver has never been seen in the wild.
>
> Well, then perhaps any user of these driver shouldn’t be using
> Tumbleweed, as they can’t ensure that their
> systems will work properly.
>
> Sorry, that’s the risk you take when you use drivers like this.
Perhaps you are misunderstanding one another
Strictly speaking, the phrase “You have to compile proprietary graphics
drivers from source” is incorrect, because the sources of driver are not
available. Not the full sources. What is available is a part of the driver
that interfaces with the kernel and has to be compiled for each kernel. The
most important part of the driver (ati and nvidia) are only binary and closed.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” at Telcontar)
@robin, sure it was a joke but missing a big fat smiley!
@Greg, there is a full rewind to March, 13. of that portal wiki page!?
I wonder if Tumbleweed will be a never ending Rolling Release, I would prefer if it will be! I did understand your previous statements a little different though. If it will be ever rolling, the factory mailing list is the adequate place to discuss, for it is a more stable sub-project of that!
If Tumbleweed is just another repo above any future stable openSUSE Release, then Tumbleweed is a totally different beast than factory and they should not be mixed as projects.
I’ll better go back to german sub Forum: What was meant as a clearifying discussion is understood as stupid attack. Due to my dEnglish language I guess. Then trying to make that “source” joke was fatal …
