"I don't know why openSUSE, as much as I respect it, doesn't stand out more.."

Hello! I don’t know if this is the right forum to post in? Please then adm move it or delete it then. I’m pleased with 13.1 after fixing some minor hiccup.

I have read a lot of reviews the latest days over 13.1. Both from who have tested it and only reported information from others.

I read today something that struck my mind from Linux Today - Linux News On Internet Time. and to Should Microsoft and Sony worry about Valve and SteamOS? | ITworld on the openSUSE 13.1 Review, -DistroWatch has a review of openSUSE 13.1. I went there and read: DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. “I don’t know why openSUSE, as much as I respect it, doesn’t stand out more in my thoughts. Perhaps the openSUSE project just doesn’t attract as much news coverage as other open source projects.”

That reminded me of the tours whit owners changes and strategy document from Suse/Opensuse. What do I do about it? I have at least talking to a database-guru that is almost neighbor running ubuntu and openbox to have a look on Opensuse. He was up to write a new packet manager for Gentoo.

First comment from him, -what is mariaDB? Second, -and it is fast. Fast even on packet manager but… Well Rome wasn’t constructed in a day.

I wish all of you a pleasant Sunday after -38C last night in the north and another 10cm of snow later today at my place in Sweden.

This is CLOSED for the moment and will be moved to General ChitChat.

Moved from Tech news and open again.

Thank you hcvv for the direction to another forum on the site. I think I still have a point but I’m not after “trolling” on forums.opensuse.org. My fault then. Can you as a adm check out why the forum still reports 76 comments after comments from me?

No I’m not chasing greens bars and classification as a Penguin that are doing some good.


I took your thread serious, but it not what we call Tech News. Which is in fact mostly pointers to technical interesteing articles else on the web. People will mostly read such articles (or not) without further comment, or will post a short comment on it. My assumprtion was that you want a discussion about your statement. Well, General Chitchat is for that.

I am not an admin, “only” a moderator. I do not quite understand what you mean, or where you see what you report. When you have problems/questions about forum usage, we have (sub)forum in Forums Feedback > How to use the Forums.

I’m just an ordinary user here.

I’m not at all sure what you are asking. I do notice that it reports you as having made 77 posts. And presumably that number would have been 76 when you were composing your last post. So I guess you are asking something about that. But I’m still not sure what it is that you see as a problem.

I have been using SUSE/openSUSE since around year 2000, even buying the subscription service for many years during the 9.x period, but since version 12.2, I do not understand what the design purpose of openSUSE is, other than to be a test sandbox for the Enterprise offerings. For me the only thing about openSUSE which stands out is YAST, otherwise, how is it significantly different than Fedora? My short answer: “Nothing.” But please, I am open to other answers.

–Ok. Fine with me. Understand me or not and it was not meaning… The last large company I was working for did migration to from Novell to SES (Entreprise server). At least I did something right.

It has started to snow here and Dutch and Swedish are quite simular.


On 2013-12-08 17:06, nrickert wrote:
> jonte1;2606333 Wrote:
>> Can you as a adm check out why the forum still reports 76 comments after
>> comments from me?
> I’m just an ordinary user here.
> I’m not at all sure what you are asking. I do notice that it reports
> you as having made 77 posts. And presumably that number would have been
> 76 when you were composing your last post. So I guess you are asking
> something about that. But I’m still not sure what it is that you see as
> a problem.

Number of views? :-?

Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 12.3 x86_64 “Dartmouth” at Telcontar)

Hello my twin brother? (joking). I was responding on a bug report a couple of hours ago in 13.1 and Back-in-Time. The year 2000 and even buying the subscription service for many years during the 9.x period feels familiar.

Tanks for your input.

Number of views ! :smiley:

Now it seems to be working. Sorry that I’m whinig. I still miss one (1) notification on my post at 3276 packages and a nice comment during notifications for the first time. It was still there standing on 76 posts then and after and that It is not,- repeat not important. It was just another comment.

See below… Up pow.


For me, I find openSUSE to be far more stable than Fedora. With Fedora, i even had Rhythmbox and VLC crash on a regular. I’d say, if anyone wants a stable, but quite current desktop system, to go with openSUSE, especially 13.1, it being an evergreen release. But there is one problem, and that’s many hiccups in first two weeks after release.
I’d say there’s Ubuntu for desktop, and Debian Stable, with openSUSE providing something in the middle - stable, but current, but unlike Ubuntu with it’s NIH syndrome, i see it as a far more valuable asset to the whole opensource cause. Debian on the other hand is great, but it’s community is not warm at all. Somehow, for me, openSUSE (and SUSE as it’s sponsor/big brother) is like middle ground in everything - stable, yet new, nice community, it’s contribution to Linux is large, and it’s collaborative. And, it’s very much OOTB for any new user, especially running KDE and GNOME, which look very nice by default, and with allowing YaST to install the recommended packages on first run, you don’t have to think about basically anything. Just installing VLC-codec :smiley:
Anyways, lovin’ my cup o’ green :slight_smile:

Hello Knurpt. I was checking and:

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Not that exiting but my post can defends it relevance in the forum.


Well there are three things i think make openSUSE stand out:
1: overall stability
2: a nice control center that puts you in charge
3: enterprise level desktop without enterprise level prices

But I do think it could take some tips from Ubuntu like having a basic package manager (no not apper) similar to ubuntu software center.
And having its own gtk/qt theme (really everything in opensuse seems non stock unless you use gnome shell, I really wish sonar was still in developement as it made openSUSE stand out)

a propos number three - it would help if the in house artwork team would just use a color modifier of some sort to change the default Adwaita’s blue into green.

In my opinion the best distros are Fedora and openSUSE.
What’s wrong in being similar to Fedora? (see post # 7). :expressionless:
Anyway every operative system has it pros and cons, so go for the one you like …

Reading this (and other) forum(s) for years, I have found there is a lot of misinformation about openSUSE.

Many years back, possibly the transitions that took place during openSUSE-10.0 and 10.1 caused a lot of people to test openSUSE (with the Novell acquisition) and for a brief time openSUSE had a massive following, but that was brief as many then left openSUSE due to the 10.1 project management disaster, and the 10.0/10.1 removal of many proprietary applications/drivers causing many frustration. Especially wrt the 10.1 project management fiasco, I’ve read of users put down openSUSE-10.3, 11.0, 11.1 etc claiming the project management no good, even thou they never tried those versions. They just ‘assume’ there was no change.

Even with 12.x, in our GNU/Linux club, many had not heard of zypper, and claimed openSUSE had the worst software management ever, until I provided some a demo which convinced them otherwise.

Then many put down openSUSE because of Novell’s patent deal with Microsoft (where that deal went well beyond GNU/Linux) . Many who have never taken the time to research, still think openSUSE is owned by Microsoft - something that could not be further from the truth.

openSUSE has also had its share of packaging hiccups, especially wrt Networking and less so, but still there, wrt the graphics migration (where graphics has changed significantly the past few years) a number of users with custom graphic hardware struggled. Many simply could not adjust to the changes, and the changes were not always fully automatic.

Multimedia is a sore point for many, as an incredible number of new users have never realized how incredibly simple it is to add the Packman repos and obtain superb multimedia for openSUSE. Those who do finally remove a mental block and add the Packman repos, then scream this must be automatic, while they have no idea as the risk of a law suit (bankrupting SuSE-GmbH) if this sort of addition is made the quasi-automatic way like they would prefer.

The openSUSE advantages of SuSE-Studio and the Build Service are simply not understood by the vast majority of new users. Instead the massive number of repositories available to provide openSUSE packages, simply confuse new users, who go hog wild and add a totally inappropriate number of repositories from arguably questionable mix of sources - causing their openSUSE to be unstable. The fact that THEY added the repositories does not change in their mind their inappropriate blame and provision of inappropriate claims of openSUSE stability.

wrt openSUSE stability, my 87-year old mother (soon to be 88) has been an openSUSE user for over 5 years, and her PC has never enjoyed as much stability, as she has on her PC(s) with openSUSE.

My view is similar to that of many, that users should use the OS and (if GNU/Linux is their OS) the GNU/Linux distro of their choice. I still think the best GNU/Linux distro is the one where one knows (is acquainted with) the most people who can provide support. In my case, that means openSUSE (due to the internet friends and acquaintances I have met over the past > 10 years of my using SuSE-Pro/openSUSE).

Well said Lee. Essentially echoes my view too. I’m most familiar and comfortable with openSUSE these days (for the past 7 years now), and before that it was Red Hat, then Fedora.