I bumped into this nice article....

***One of the major roadblocks for Unix was the lack of one single standardized platform for applications. Linux seems to be following along the same line, although on a different parallel. To compete head-to-head with Microsoft, Linux advocates should standardize the platform. ***

by A. Russell Jones, Executive Editor

http://www.devx.com/opensource/Article/16969/0/page/1

I believe there is some truth to that.

However I also believe in the Free Software open source philosophy, and hence to me, that means that there most likely always be many different Linux distributions. … and there will always be many different ways of doing things.

For standardization of the Linux platform, I’ve always also believed that something that would significantly help, would be for the major Linux distributions (with NO EXCEPTIONS) to get together and agree on a common directory structure for the underlying Linux distributions (and agreement as to what libraries go where). This would make the porting of applications built against one Linux distribution, much much easier to install and run on another distribution.

What my thought is that linux distros should offer two flavours, one for hackers and the other for simple users. Simple users should get installable CDs having even desktop environment chosen and having initial settings done.

vendetta18 adjusted his/her AFDB on Saturday 16 May 2009 12:06 to write:

>
> What my thought is that linux distros should offer two flavours, one for
> hackers and the other for simple users. Simple users should get
> installable CDs having even desktop environment chosen and having
> initial settings done.
>
>

Sort of like a plain SuSE for normal users and a SuSE ummm… lets call it
Pro for hackers?

Been done

Also at the moment we have OpenSuSE for the hackers and SLED for the users
so I suppose they are already there.

:slight_smile:


Mark

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oldcpu adjusted his/her AFDB on Saturday 16 May 2009 10:56 to write:

> For standardization of the Linux platform, I’ve always also believed
> that something that would significantly help, would be for the major
> Linux distributions (with NO EXCEPTIONS) to get together and agree on a
> common directory structure for the underlying Linux distributions (and
> agreement as to what libraries go where). This would make the porting of
> applications built against one Linux distribution, much much easier to
> install and run on another distribution.
>
>

Well the layout was there LSB but who did not want to join?


Mark

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Nil illigitimi carborundum

I have always believed it was not so much “not joining” but who implements what subset of the “LSB” and what “version” of the LSB, and hence until every major distribution (without exception) uses a similar implementation, we are still falling short of the LSB goals.

For example, if one looks here, the lack of recent distribution versions being included in that list becomes a massive “hole”. … LSB Distribution Status - The Linux Foundation
It causes one to wonder what is happing now wrt the previous lofty goals.

oldcpu adjusted his/her AFDB on Saturday 16 May 2009 15:46 to write:

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> oldcpu;1986801 Wrote:
>> I have always believed it was not so much “not joining” but who
>> implements what subset of the “LSB” and what “version” of the LSB, and
>> hence until every major distribution (without exception) uses a similar
>> implementation, we are still falling short of the LSB goals.
> For example, if one looks here, the lack of recent distribution
> versions being included in that list becomes a massive “hole”. … ‘LSB
> Distribution Status - The Linux Foundation’
> (http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/LSB_Distribution_Status)
> It causes one to wonder what is happing now wrt the previous lofty
> goals.
>
>

yep, it does make you wonder.


Mark

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Nil illigitimi carborundum

> -ONE OF THE MAJOR ROADBLOCKS FOR UNIX WAS THE LACK OF ONE SINGLE
> STANDARDIZED PLATFORM FOR APPLICATIONS.

earlier today i was facebook and thought i would see what Linux groups
were there…

astounded, i found hundreds of different groups, most with less than
20 members!!

i looked at and decided if ALL the members of the various groups
joined one group there were still be less members in that one group
than there are now groups…

and, then suddenly i thought about THIS thread…

if we all can’t get into the same facebook group how could ANYONE
expect us all to standardize anything…

despite the chaos, there is strength in diversity…


decorated_warrior

I raised the question about lsb compliance in last nights IRC chat channel #opensuse-project meeting.

Not much was stated, other than a recent openSUSE update was to ensure better compliance, and also agreement that this was progressing rather slowly, but also a view by some that it would not be forgotten.

I did not press the discussion. To do so effectively often means one need to volunteer to help in some aspect, and I’m over loaded now with other commitments.

udrepper: Do you still think the LSB has some value?

Ulrich Drepper is GNU libc mantainer…

< sigh > this was in essence my concern …

Hmmm… reading again … that article is almost 4 years old. Have things gotten worse? or better?

> I’m over loaded now with other commitments.

and still doing a GREAT job here, thanks!!


decorated_warrior