GDM Manager failed to load when I boot up my ASUS N61JV-X2 notebook PC with OpenSUSE 11.4 64 bit with Tumbleweed activated twice. When I click on the applications tab, it displays nothing so I have to log out of GNOME 3 to see my wall of applications. I use KDM now. When I select GNOME, it displays the wallpaper with no icons or status bars.
GNOME 3 is not ready for prime time. I will discontinue using it and stick with KDE. KDE may not be as sexy as GNOME 3, but it just works.
Hi
Gnome 3.0 IS ready for prime time, the correct release which is 11.4.
Furthermore, I’ll add form what said malcolm, GNOME3 + Tumbleweed is not an easy task unless you really know what you are doing.
Check with KDE. I thing you will like it(KDE). About Gnome I have not good experience.
I use KDE now. It works perfectly. I downgraded to GNOME 2.30. I also removed the Tumbleweed and Packman All of Tumbleweed repositories. So, I am back to OpenSUSE 11.4 64 bit. Everything works perfectly now.
This taught me a valuable lesson. Stick with the default configuration and repositories. For the most part, I have done so.
The GNOME 3 bug with the NetworkManager effecting KDE’s wireless capabilities is no longer a problem for me since I downgraded to GNOME 2.30.
How do I get rid of GNOME altogether?
Remember the first release of KDE 4!
Regarding Tumbleweed and Gnome 3:
If you upgrade openSUSE 11.4 with Gnome 2 to Gnome 3 and then to Tumbleweed, it works fine.
But if you try a different sequence, from openSUSE 11.4 with Gnome 2 to Tumbleweed then to Gnome 3, it fails on dependency errors on the final step; however this final step will be valid/fixed in a couple of weeks, according to @gregkh.
see Tumbleweed and Gnome 3
The problem is that GNOME 3 has a problem with the NetworkManager as it effects KDE in that I cannot connect to wireless Wi-Fi networks anymore. I want to remove GNOME entirely. How do I do this?
phiga wrote:
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> Remember the first release of KDE 4!
>
Oh I remeber that very well. 
The following is my personal opinion and experience not a technical
evaluation. It took over two years to have the new KDE 4 in a good shape,
for me it was not before 4.5 (4.4 to some degree but I still had some nasty
glitches with KDE applications).
I used it from the very beginning to become familiar with it (4.0, well
knowing that this were some kind of beta releases and I think 4.1 was also
declared as not much more than beta by its developers) side by side with 3.5
for productive use.
I think with Gnome 3 one should not expect miracles at prime time, this
would be unfair. It is after all free software which havily depends on the
users in the community to test it, the same applies to KDE 4.
All this is not software made by a big company with a laboratory for testing
thousands of hardware/software combinations and hundreds of paid testers.
It will simply take a while until it converges into something which is
stable for everyone on every hardware of course and time will show if this
goal can be achieved.
My personal point of view is that I don’t like Gnome 3 at the moment (I
tried it a bit, it is simply not my cup of tea), but nobody forces me to use
it and maybe I will look at it out of couriousity in a year or so again,
just to see what happened to it.
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PC: oS 11.3 64 bit | Intel Core2 Quad Q8300@2.50GHz | KDE 4.6.2 | GeForce
9600 GT | 4GB Ram
Eee PC 1201n: oS 11.4 64 bit | Intel Atom 330@1.60GHz | KDE 4.6.0 | nVidia
ION | 3GB Ram
I totally agree with you. The release of KDE4 was a total mess for a lot of distribution… :\
> GNOME 3 is not ready for prime time. I will discontinue using it and
> stick with KDE. KDE may not be as sexy as GNOME 3, but it just works.
Hmm. Seems we’ve heard this comment before back when KDE was going through
its changes. My how the tide has turned. I guess it’s GNOME’s turn to get an
earful.
How is a non customizable, non intuitive mess count as sexy?
GNOME 3 is unreliable software technology. I tried to install it using the recommended way and the command line interface using zypper. Both failed. GDM and GNOME 3 failed to load properly on my system. It is not suitable for usage in production environments.
I will respect others opinions when you respect mine. End of discussion.
Okay. So maybe I’ll try gnome 3 (or its successor version) again in two years time.
Yes there are glitches with gnome 3. But I mostly give those a pass for now. It’s the whole design philosophy of gnome 3 that turns me off.
Here’s an example. I sometimes find it useful to have two xterms running, with information in one xterm window being used to guide what I do in the other. It’s hard to do that in gnome 3. The design philosophy seems to be that the active window should be center stage, and anything else should be out of sight.
nrickert wrote:
> Yes there are glitches with gnome 3. But I mostly give those a pass
> for now. It’s the whole design philosophy of gnome 3 that turns me off.
That is what I found as well, I believe that for some people it will be the
best thing since sliced bread, but not for me.
I do not argue that they now should start to change it to fit my needs or
preferences. I just see it is for a different target audience.
(I cannot resist to say my desktop felt somehow like a giant smartphone)
Next year I will look at it again to see if it turned into something which
is more interesting (for me) and if not - no real problem, I just will not
use it then (or maybe my own philosophy has changed then and I like it).
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PC: oS 11.3 64 bit | Intel Core2 Quad Q8300@2.50GHz | KDE 4.6.2 | GeForce
9600 GT | 4GB Ram
Eee PC 1201n: oS 11.4 64 bit | Intel Atom 330@1.60GHz | KDE 4.6.0 | nVidia
ION | 3GB Ram
Yes, I agree with that. There are plenty of choices for a desktop environment. If I don’t like one, I’ll move to another.
I readily grant that Gnome 3 is innovative. It just isn’t suited to what I want. At the moment, I am using XFCE, which has most of what I had liked about gnome. I also have KDE installed, and find that well suited to my needs also, though perhaps more bloated than I need.
Overall, I think variety is good. In fact, that’s one of the benefits of open source.
nrickert wrote:
> Overall, I think variety is good. In fact, that’s one of the benefits
> of open source.
>
+1
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PC: oS 11.3 64 bit | Intel Core2 Quad Q8300@2.50GHz | KDE 4.6.2 | GeForce
9600 GT | 4GB Ram
Eee PC 1201n: oS 11.4 64 bit | Intel Atom 330@1.60GHz | KDE 4.6.0 | nVidia
ION | 3GB Ram
I am not concern about glitches, glitches gets fixed in time, “it is a feature, not a bug” doesn’t get fixed.
Please do not turn PCs into smartphones.
PCs have different specifications to maximize usability, turning them into a giant smartphone doesn’t do them justice.
And doing 3 steps instead of 1(Because they dumbed down the interface) to achieve the same thing is a regression.
I switched to KDE.
1)You don’t need a “virtual switch” to turn off WiFi, Computers have tons of shortcut keys
2)We need a flexible Advance Power Management, PC sucks more power than SmartPhones
3)PCs have large screen area not fully utilizing them is silly.
4)PCs have cursor to click on GUIs there is no need to press a key to make everything accessible only after pressing that key.
To regain your wireless functionality right away you can downgrade networkmanager to the version included with the install media. Do this from a KDE session. You will also be prompted to resolve dependencies in the process. Once that is done your wireless card should be working again and kdewallet should come up and ask you for a password. Gnome wireless might also be working, but you have a 50% chance that will be the case. That will depend on the sequence you followed when you upgraded to Gnome 3. After that you can choose to remove gnome from yast or downgrade it back to 2.3.x.