Hi,
Could anyone please tell me how to upgrade to 11.3 RC with that zypper dup thing? What do I need to do? I mean exactly what repositories I should add and which ones I need to disable? At the moment I have 11.2 OSS, Non-OSS, 3x KDE Factory repos + Packman, nVidia, Mozilla, OpenOffice etc.
Could you please post links to the repos as I couldn’t find them in the wiki.
And after I change the repos in YAST, exactly what command should I run, just ‘zypper dup’? that’s it?
Thank you.
It’s really not something I would recommend as you have so many packages on a working 11.2 install that will not be available in 11.3 RC1
Or is this a sandbox?
Wouldn’t that update everything there’s a new version for and leave the rest unchanged? aren’t Firefox, OpenOffice, VirtualBox available in 11.3? And I saw somewhere there are Packman packages for 11.3 as well.
No, it’s not a sandbox.
It very much depends on your current install. You are correct in this: Wouldn’t that update everything there’s a new version for and leave the rest unchanged?
But that would mean you have 11.3 and 11.2 packaging.
There is no 11.3 repo for packman, but rather a Factory repo
Index of /suse/factory
It’s incomplete compared to a release repo
So I reiterate, I do not recommend this…
If you want to play with 11.3 I suggest creating a sandbox partition, or use Virtual Box.
OK, if I’m prepared to drop some packages if they’re not yet available in 11.3, can I update the whole system without trashing it? Or you can only do zypper dup on an untouched release of 11.2?
I’ve always updated current system by installing RCs from DVDs. I can do it again. I don’t worry about loosing some packages. But I don’t want to mess my settings. I’ve got a separate /home partition for that. But as I saw a lot of posts people using zypper dup for update I thought it might be a good idea to try that instead of a clean DVD install.
“But that would mean you have 11.3 and 11.2 packaging” - So, will zypper dup simply leave older packages broken (due to dependencies) or try to delete them if there’s no newer version in 11.3? Or it will ask me a million dependency questions? If that’s the case it’s not worth it and I can do a clean DVD install again.
I’ve already tried it in VB, it was sooooooooooooooooooooo sloooooooooooooow it wasn’t funny. So I want to give it a real go. And then update again to the final when it’s released.
can I update the whole system without trashing it?
I can’t answer that question honestly. Possibly. But unlikely at this stage. If it were the Final release, then more likely.
But as I saw a lot of posts people using zypper dup for update
Yes, but they already installed 11.3 Milestone#
What you want to do is not the same.
So, will zypper dup simply leave older packages
Unavailable ones, yes. No it will not usually delete them. It’s possible that some of these may even work mind you.
ask me a million dependency questions?
Very possibly.
I’ve already tried it in VB, it was sooooooooooooooooooooo sloooooooooooooow
It can be that way.
Patience… the final release is not far away.
Use 11.2 for now and be 
“Patience… the final release is not far away” - can’t wait anymore, I’ve been suffering from the “Next Level” syndrome since 2 weeks after 11.2 release, and the closer it’s to 11.3 the harder it is to wait 
PS. “Next Level” syndrome - you know the one when you play Command & Conquer, you get some weapons and you can hardly wait to finish that level just to get to the next to see what other better weapons you can get there, and then the next, and then the next… And it really annoys me in life too, like I get a new laptop, play with it for 2 weeks and then want another newer one just to see what new things they stuck in there. Same with openSUSE. It used to be more “fun” when it was version 9 or 10, I had to spend weeks if not months fixing it and could hardly wait for the next release to see what new things they’ve done. Now… it all just works. Not that there’s anything wrong with that…
Then I suggest you install 11.3 RC1 proper. Not an update!
Just keep /home as is
Use the Packman repo I gave you earlier to get multi-media as best you can at this stage.
Then zypper dup to final should be easy.
I don’t know if you should be called a supporter of openSUSE:
You know that the new strategy proposals, which are discussed in the forums now, are due to the fact that openSUSE needs more people engaging!
Now there is a guy, who really wants to test zyppers dist-upgrade potentials, and your comment is: don’t test this feature.
What for is this Beta-forum if not testing?
The OP didn’t want to bork his system.
As for me being a supporter of openSUSE,… think what you like. Or why not start a Poll. “Is caf4926 a supporter of openSUSE?”
Go ahead and make your recommendation, the OP can listen to you too…
On 18/06/10 16:06, ulenrich wrote:
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> I don’t know if you should be called a supporter of openSUSE:
>
> You know that the new strategy proposals, which are discussed in the
> forums now, are due to the fact that openSUSE needs more people
> engaging!
>
> Now there is a guy, who really wants to test zyppers dist-upgrade
> potentials, and your comment is: don’t test this feature.
>
> What for is this Beta-forum if not testing?
>
>
Fine if he was testing but, unless I’ve missed something, he seems to be
wanting to relace an operational system with a test one. Not a good idea.
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On 18/06/10 03:06, linuxoidoz wrote:
> Could anyone please tell me how to upgrade to 11.3 RC with that zypper
> dup thing?
You may find, as I have, that not everything works and you’ll need to
regress to 11.2. Are you happy to do that? Best to install 11.3 RC1 on a
separate machine or partition. Even with the final version, you might
find bugs, as I did with the first operational version of 11.2 and had
to wait a month or so for a fix before leaving 11.1.
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Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks., UK.
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Actually, it’s better to test with untainted installs, using a separate partition or use virutalbox and equivalents, due to the fact that once you install 3rd party software, now you’re beta testing the milestone and 3rd party software.
An example of why this could be bad is if you upgrade your 11.2 to 11.3. You now have mixed 11.2 and 11.3 packages in your installation. If a problem arises, how do you know it’s not due to the fact that you’re using packages for a system in which they’re not meant to be used?
Once 11.3 comes closer to release, we’ll get repositories for 11.3, and can then properly test a non-standard distribution upgrade.
Another reason to test on sandbox PCs or partitions is so the user doesn’t hose their main system. The original poster asked if the system would be hosed, which there is a chance that it could get messed up since there are no 11.3 repositories but rather incomplete factory repositories. As a test PC it wouldn’t matter, but being his main computer it does matter.
You should also try monitoring the forums for even just a day. You’ll immediately retract your question of caf4926’s supporting openSUSE.
Take Care,
Ian
What nonsense! As you said, they are proposals under discussion. Not even guidelines.
How do you know whether the OP wants to test or is just impatient for the new release? How many questions did you ask the OP to ascertain the risk and avoid giving incomplete advice? Let me guess - zero questions/advice. :\
Hey, guys, don’t fight. BTW, do you call ME an OP? What is it? Hope it’s not some kinda green hairy ugly humanoid?
You all got it half wrong… or half right. I both want to test the new release and am inpatient. But you missed my point - I don’t mind if I loose a few packages or some won’t work. I will install the RC anyway. I wanted to know how and if I can do this with ‘zypper dup’ - that’s all! As I’ve said, I’ve always installed RCs from DVDs, but now that you all talk about the allegedly “working” system update tool I wanted to try that but didn’t know exactly what to do. There’s bits and pieces of information but it’s not enough and I couldn’t find Packman’s repo for example.
Having read these posts didn’t change my mind about installing the RC but now I have doubts re. the ‘zypper dup’.
How do you do it? Has anyone did that on a non-standard 11.2? By non-standard I mean as mine with lots of 3-rd party packages. I can expect there may be problems, but has anyone tried? (again, don’t really care if there are problems with 3-rd party packages, as long as there’re no problems with the system and system packages)
My experience as someone brave (or foolish depending on your pov) enough to do it anyways is that it mostly worked alright…
I would also agree that if you aren’t prepared to deal with the possible issues that you do what everyone else in this thread is suggesting (i.e don’t do it!)
Anyhow, I went about it by first removing all of my existing repos, then adding in the 64-bit DVD iso and addon iso. I also added the KDE repo that gives 4.4.4, packman factory, and factory versions of a few others that had certain applications I use.
I then went through the zypper dup process and resolved the issues that came up (which were probably a dozen or two out of 1500ish packages?)
Lastly was a manual install of the nvidia driver, look around the forums on that if you want to use it as tricky to get working.
The only issue I’ve had at this point is an occasional freeze of screen and cursor which I noticed is accompanied by a spike in xorg’s CPU usage (guessing it spikes to 100% and by the time it unfreezes is 90% or so).
Don’t necessarily expect help afterward since you’ve been forewarned though.
@linuxoidoz In your OP: Opening Post
You said:
Could anyone please tell me how to upgrade to 11.3 RC with that zypper dup thing?
I think I understood you clearly and I explained that I did not recommend it.
If you can backup and be prepared to install it from the DVD if ‘dup’ goes wrong, then go ahead.
If you have done a new install of 11.3rc1 and were asking if you could ‘dup’ to the final release, then it would not be so difficult.
Or… If you were still running 11.2 and it was a month or so post the final release of 11.3 and you wanted to ‘dup’ then it should be fine.
On 20/06/10 23:46, linuxoidoz wrote:
> Hey, guys, don’t fight. BTW, do you call ME an OP? What is it? Hope it’s
> not some kinda green hairy ugly humanoid?
OP: Original Poster. May or may not be a green hairy ugly humanoid.
Whether you are or not does not matter to us, this is an equal
opportunity newsgroup.
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