How to shift more linux on the desktop?

Hi,

Two main problems with wider desktop use are missing applications and total lack of gaming. In addition to this how will I watch my blue-ray movies…(though I don’t intend to buy any before I can watch them on my SuSE)

For small businesses business software is typically very country specific and therefore it is not addressed well by open source distributed on globe mentality. Also there are many applications for which there are no linux-versions (CAD comes to mind). Also many businesses and home users have to use Microsoft Office.

There are no major blockbusters on the gaming arena targeted at Linux.

Also there is problem with media files. Now it is illegal to watch DVDs with Linux in many countries.

So we have three problems (at least)
All the Linux-companies should unite and start a foundation (or use one of existing) and finance it to buy out crossover-office and transgaming cedega. Then the foundation will opensource those and hire existing developers. Then all Linux-companies involved would integrate this technology in their distribution. Debian must have a break because it is noncommercial and important to have around.

The same foundation could coordinate the media-playing side. Making the needed contracts on behalf of the members so that everything needed for smooth media-experience would be integrated in the distribution.

Happy Linuxing - and naturally SuSE is the best :slight_smile:

Best Regards
Kari Laine
klaine8@gmail.com

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Andy

The way to deal with problems is to look for opportunities:

a tiny proportion of MS Office users need facilities that are not currently available in OpenOffice

once enough ASUS clones are out there, the gaming companies will realise they can write some good games for them

early adopters always gain advantages which are missed by those who hang on to old technology (though sometimes they do not realise what those advantages are at the time)

On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:46:01 GMT
deltaflyer44 <deltaflyer44@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

>
> klaine8;1874986 Wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Two main problems with wider desktop use are missing applications
> > and total lack of gaming. In addition to this how will I watch my
> > blue-ray movies…(though I don’t intend to buy any before I can
> > watch them on my SuSE)
> >
> > For small businesses business software is typically very country
> > specific and therefore it is not addressed well by open source
> > distributed on globe mentality. Also there are many applications for
> > which there are no linux-versions (CAD comes to mind). Also many
> > businesses and home users have to use Microsoft Office.
> >
What software are you talking about? Most small businesses I know of
use spreadsheets and a word processor which you can get with
Openoffice. Heh, even some big business I know of still many use those
as their “database of record”.
> > There are no major blockbusters on the gaming arena targeted at
> > Linux.
> >
Very true because most developers want to code their games in the
DirectX API instead of the OpenGL API. OpenGL is a little harder to
code for but is better performance wise.
> > Also there is problem with media files. Now it is illegal to watch
> > DVDs with Linux in many countries.
> >
True.
> > So we have three problems (at least)
> > All the Linux-companies should unite and start a foundation (or use
> > one of existing) and finance it to buy out crossover-office and
> > transgaming cedega. Then the foundation will opensource those and
> > hire existing developers. Then all Linux-companies involved would
> > integrate this technology in their distribution. Debian must have a
> > break because it is noncommercial and important to have around.
> >
What makes Debian more important then Slackware, Arch or Gentoo which
are all non-commercial? And what would buying up Crossover Office and
Cedega due that isn’t already being done now?
> > The same foundation could coordinate the media-playing side. Making
> > the needed contracts on behalf of the members so that everything
> > needed for smooth media-experience would be integrated in the
> > distribution.
> >
> > Happy Linuxing - and naturally SuSE is the best :slight_smile:
> >
Who are you expecting will pay the monetary value needed to include
codecs like MP3? And as for DVD, who will create a company to pay the
licensing fees and software so users can play back their DVD’s. First,
a lot of people won’t use it because it has proprietary blobs in the
code. Second, how will they recoup the money?

Hi,

thanks for comments.

With business applications I refer to different packages which are available in Finland. They do sales,billing,budgeting,accounting whatever. For the small business sector their are typically very cheap and run on Windows. It is difficult and almost impossible to find applications like that which would run on Linux. It is about year ago when I really tried to find those and result was almost nothing.

On the games side the only choice would be to be able to run games which are made for the Windows platform. There is not big enough ecosystem for game-houses on Linux. And because of that no games…and because of that no ecosystem … you see the point. Only way to break this circle is adapt! And without home market Linux-companies might loose the business side also - they are connected.

Well sorry not to mention Gentoo and Slackware. Debian I mentioned because of I have some experience of it and know it has very broad package collection and support for different architectures. Gentoo I haven’t tried because I don’t see much point in compiling everything just to get 5-10% performance benefit - I really must test it sometime. Slackware was my first distribution back many years. I have no idea what is it’s situation today.

Crossover Office and Cedega are doing very good job at the moment. Actually I also pondered whether they are doing better now when independent. Problem is new Linux-users typically won’t know about them - distributions don’t exactly promote them with enough ad-space - so Joe or Jane won’t know that they even exist. Second if they by accident learn to know them they must pay for them. If you just installed a new system and you really don’t know whether you are going to use it or not, would you want to spend those tools to have a look? Next if the decision is yes - then you must to find them, get them, pay them - do you have credit card and install them. This installation part surely is going to be battle.
I have personally tested Cedega on my boys machine when XP went bottoms up and I refused to fix that and instead suggested Linux with Cedega. It was not easy to install and installing games inside it took some practice for us. BUT it worked great! I have yet to test Crossover Office but all what I have heard about it says it is great. One question someone might be able to answer. Does AutoCad work with it? I think not…

No suppose all the technology in Crossover Office and Cedega would be seamlessly integrated with SuSE? It would be there from moment one. There would be selection in Yast to install Windows programs and Games. Naturally it would be integrated with every other distribution who are part of the foundation. That would mean a real power to penguin.

Who will pay? This is difficult question because of noncommercial distributions. For them I don’t have idea. But at least commercial distributions should pay. Also companies who have deep pockets and have Linux as their strategy to get power away from Microsoft. To me that sounds for example IBM, HP, SUN, Oracle, Google, Oracle, …fill you own here. The money needed for this kind of project would be peanuts for these companies compined and it would with one shift slash make Linux HOT.

The media problem is all the same. In the days situation there is no way to circumvent patents and other DRM-issues. The media codecs and programs propably have to be closed source and licensed. I don’t see free formats like Ogg taking music industry by storm. Linux must support MP3, DVD and Coming standards which are proprietary. But maybe if big companies get together they get the conditions to somewhere acceptable level.

So what’s there for the members of the foundation?
Well they all have lot at stake here. Big players like RedHat and Novell have betted their whole existence on Linux. Many companies have Linux as their staretegic business area. Linux must speed up it’s adoption rate fast or it will be back in obsolecence again. Linux-companies must learn to make cooperation and not see each other only as competitor - there must be more cooperation. With one company having 95% of the computing market is shouldn’t be very difficult to understand where the competition is…

Best Regards
Kari Laine

> once enough ASUS clones are out there, the gaming companies will
> realise they can write some good games for them

Unlikely, the opportunity to write games for good hardware has been
out for a long while and there have been a few…Doom3 comes to mind. I
think it is more of a fear of writing to an ever changing environment and a
fear of being unable to recoup the development dollars. The
true ‘installed’ numbers of desktop Linux are still relatively
unknown. However, Wii, PS3 and Xbox are well known and stable platforms.
Doesn’t matter if it is harder to code a PS3 than a Linux machine, the
distribution channel and the platform is fixed. If games come to Linux
it’s likely to be Indie developers that will start it off and these guys
have a real opportunity to go from small start up to actual gaming house if
they churn out some hits…any takers?

Hi
Timetrex for payroll/timekeeping (Standard is free)

Maybe gnucash?

Also a browse around this site may help?


Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
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You’d be surprised…

Points of interest:

Linux App Finder | Helping find the Linux apps you need

The Linux Alternative Project - linuxalt.com

However, you do raise a good point.