how to find the http copy of message read on nntp???

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how to find the http copy of message read on nntp???

I sometimes want to insert the url of a forum message, into something I’m
composing… For example, I was precomposing some notes for an up and
coming attempt to convince the alpine people that it’s alpine that needs
fixing to prevent the problem I discussed here in the thread titled:

NNTP access problem: 119: Connection timed out…

I wanted to index the message where ab analyzed the tcpdump output for me.
And copy the url to the clipboard so I could paste it into my composition.

I thought that since I’d posted to it several times I could find the thread
under the “view all subscribed” in my settings. But since I’d only posted
to this one via nntp my default thread subscription settings didn’t work.
So I tried searching “forums” for the text of the subject line in the advanced
search. Tried shortening it to the first three words Still no results. So I
tried it with the search in “forums” box unchecked. There were 4 pages of
results. None of them the one I was looking for.

Next I cleared the keyword box and searched only for my user name…
with the search in forums checked, it found nothing. when I didn’t have the
search in forums box checked, it found 24 threads. But not the one I
needed…

Then I tried searching with startpage for:

Code:

host:forums.opensuse.org NNTP access problem

It certainly wasn’t in the 1st 10 pages…

I also tried:

Code:

site:forums.opensuse.org NNTP access problem

No Joy…

In this case it wasn’t too hard to instead, just open the subforum I’d
posted in. And actually the thread was, I think, the 1st non-sticky listed.

But if I had wanted to reference an older thread on, lets say the
applications forum, for which I had nothing to add and so couldn’t
reasonably pull the thread to the top…

It would have been rather frustrating to get this:

Code:

https://forums.opensuse.org/english/other-forums/forums-feedback/how-use-forums/488662-nntp-access-problem-119-connection-timed-out.html#post2571935

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#2

JtWdyP wrote:
> how to find the http copy of message read on nntp???
>
> I sometimes want to insert the url of a forum message, into something I’m
> composing… For example, I was precomposing some notes for an up and
> coming attempt to convince the alpine people that it’s alpine that needs
> fixing to prevent the problem I discussed here in the thread titled:
>
> NNTP access problem: 119: Connection timed out…
>
> I wanted to index the message where ab analyzed the tcpdump output for me.
> And copy the url to the clipboard so I could paste it into my composition.
>
> I thought that since I’d posted to it several times I could find the thread
> under the “view all subscribed” in my settings. But since I’d only posted
> to this one via nntp my default thread subscription settings didn’t work.
> So I tried searching “forums” for the text of the subject line in the advanced
> search. Tried shortening it to the first three words Still no results. So I
> tried it with the search in “forums” box unchecked. There were 4 pages of
> results. None of them the one I was looking for.
>
> Next I cleared the keyword box and searched only for my user name…
> with the search in forums checked, it found nothing. when I didn’t have the
> search in forums box checked, it found 24 threads. But not the one I
> needed…
>
> Then I tried searching with startpage for:
>
> Code:
> ------------
> host:forums.opensuse.org NNTP access problem
> ------------
>
> It certainly wasn’t in the 1st 10 pages…
>
> I also tried:
>
> Code:
> ------------
> site:forums.opensuse.org NNTP access problem
> ------------
>
> No Joy…
>
> In this case it wasn’t too hard to instead, just open the subforum I’d
> posted in. And actually the thread was, I think, the 1st non-sticky listed.
>
> But if I had wanted to reference an older thread on, lets say the
> applications forum, for which I had nothing to add and so couldn’t
> reasonably pull the thread to the top…
>
> It would have been rather frustrating to get this:
>
> Code:
> ---------------
> https://forums.opensuse.org/english/other-forums/forums-feedback/how-use-forums/488662-nntp-access-problem-119-connection-timed-out.html#post2571935
> ---------------
>
From what i find there is no one-to-one nntp newsgroup vs sub-forum

#3

On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 23:41:32 +0000, JtWdyP wrote:

> But if I had wanted to reference an older thread on, lets say the
> applications forum, for which I had nothing to add and so couldn’t
> reasonably pull the thread to the top…

For threads where there’s a post made from the web side, just view that
post in your NNTP client - the thread link is in the footer of the post.

The reason NNTP-side posts don’t get it is because the content’s got to
be posted before the gateway picks it up, and once it’s posted, we can’t
modify it on the NNTP side - and we have no way of knowing the post
information until the post from the NNTP side has been through the
gateway and entered into the database on the web side.

Jim

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#4

On 07/18/2013 01:41 AM, JtWdyP wrote:
> how to find the http copy of message read on nntp???

several techniques are available to you:

  1. while reading in nntp, find any message sent to that thread via
    http. then look at the bottom of that message and see something like:

hcvv's Profile: http://forums.opensuse.org/member.php?userid=180
View this thread: http://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php?t=488077

NOTE: if you do not see that format then you know for sure the poster
used nntp…because ALL http posts have that format

once you have a url to the thread then go to that thread and
manually search it for the post you want to reference and single
right click the message number (top line has “Date, Time” on the left
and message number on the right) and pick “Copy Link Address” (these
instructions are for KDE–which i must assume you use since that is
easiest for me, since you didn’t say which you do use)

that places the URL for that message into the clipboard and you can
paste it where you wish.

  1. if there are no http originated posts in a particular thread then
    you must resort to another way, that is search…but, forget using
    the forum searcher, it is very deficient (imho).

instead use the google site specifier switch…and using only the
info you provided in your question, i construct a string like:


site:forums.opensuse.org NNTP access problem: 119: Connection timed out

and the number one hit is
http://forums.opensuse.org/english/other-forums/forums-feedback/how-use-forums/488662-nntp-access-problem-119-connection-timed-out-2.html

go there (and in your question) eyeball until you find which post is
ab’s, right click the message number and . . .

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dd

#5

On 07/18/2013 05:41 AM, vaz@test.com wrote:
>>
> From what i find there is no one-to-one nntp newsgroup vs sub-forum

first, please trim your posts…

second, perhaps i do not understand what you wrote above, but with
the exception that read only forums are not available via nntp, there
is one-to-one (nntp) newsgroup for every (http) forum and sub-forum.

but, while the names of the two are similar they are somewhat
different–and sometimes confusing…and that is a history problem
some forums were renamed while the newsgroup address remained
unchanged…for example:

FORMAT: forum name = newsgroup address

How to use the forums? = opensuse.org.feedback.forums.support-information

Unreviewed How To and FAQ = opensuse.org.help.howto.submissions

i think the others are more straight forward/easy to translate…

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#6

It would appear that on Jul 18, dd did say:

> On 07/18/2013 01:41 AM, JtWdyP wrote:
> > how to find the http copy of message read on nntp???
>
> several techniques are available to you:
>
> 1. while reading in nntp, find any message sent to that thread via http. then
> look at the bottom of that message and see something like:
>


> hcvv's Profile: http://forums.opensuse.org/member.php?userid=180
> View this thread: http://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php?t=488077
>

That will be very useful if the thread has at least one http post…

Thanks!

NOTE: if you do not see that format then you know for sure the poster used
nntp…because ALL http posts have that format

once you have a url to the thread then go to that thread and manually search
it for the post you want to reference and single right click the message
number (top line has “Date, Time” on the left and message number on the right)
and pick “Copy Link Address” (these instructions are for KDE–which i must
assume you use since that is easiest for me, since you didn’t say which you do
use)

No I didn’t mention it in this thread. Used to use kde till kde4 sent me
packing into a love affair with Enlightenment… That technique works just fine
in E17…

  1. if there are no http originated posts in a particular thread then you must
    resort to another way, that is search…but, forget using the forum searcher,
    it is very deficient (imho).

instead use the google site specifier switch…and using only the info you
provided in your question, i construct a string like:


> site:forums.opensuse.org NNTP access problem: 119: Connection timed out
>

> and the number one hit is
> http://forums.opensuse.org/english/other-forums/forums-feedback/how-use-forums/488662-nntp-access-problem-119-connection-timed-out-2.html
>
> go there (and in your question) eyeball until you find which post is ab’s,
> right click the message number and . . .

I think the search engines must dislike me…

That is actually the exact first search string I tried on startpage
Then when I didn’t find it in the results I tried using “host:” instead of
“site:” {Because I’ve seen it used someplace, and couldn’t remember which
worked…} Then, since I’ve no clue why it didn’t work for me, I tried
shortening the search string so that the only “:” character would be the one
in the site specifier switch… {sigh}

But anyway, I just used the clipboard to copy your code tagged search string
directly to the google search engine.

http://i42.tinypic.com/wqvdrq.png

Not only is it not the “number one hit” with my results, but it didn’t
appear anywhere on the first 2 pages. Which was all google would show me.

In spite of the on screen claim of:

Code:

About 10,600 results

Even after I clicked on the link:

Code:

repeat the search with the omitted results included.

I still only got two pages.

Any idea what I’m doing wrong with my web searches??

(And yes I repeated the google search after temporarily turning
javescript back on for google in the site preferences…)

Fortunately, I expect that most threads will have at least one http post
from which I can {now that I’m aware} extract the “View this thread:” url.
Thans again.

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#7

On 2013-07-18 20:17, JtWdyP wrote:

> I think the search engines must dislike me…

> But anyway, I just used the clipboard to copy your code tagged search string
> directly to the google search engine.

DD line has spaces start and end, you have to remove them. Also, it
depends if you get your “local” google engine or the international one.
Google for me is google.es, so I have to insist to get google.com.

If I search for:


site:forums.opensuse.org "NNTP access problem: 119"

I get


> https://forums.opensuse.org/english/other-forums/forums-feedback/how-use-forums/488792-how-find-http-copy-message-read-nntp.html

and only that one.

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(from 12.3 x86_64 “Dartmouth” at Telcontar)

#8

On 07/18/2013 08:17 PM, JtWdyP wrote:
> Not only is it not the “number one hit” with my results, but it didn’t
> appear anywhere on the first 2 pages. Which was all google would show me.

well, Google is alive, and it learns QUICKLY…now this thread
is the number one hit…

so i now try this search string
site:forums.opensuse.org NNTP access problem ab

and the first hit is to the thread you seek…as you can see it in
the image i just placed at http://susepaste.org/10724942
(and the second hit is this thread!)…

now, there is no way i can predict what google will turn up after
several hours of other folks trying the same search string (but, i
know Google learns and adjusts results)…

notwithstanding, right this second google instantly returns a link to
http://forums.opensuse.org/english/other-forums/forums-feedback/how-use-forums/488662-nntp-access-problem-119-connection-timed-out.html
which is the link you were trying to find…

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dd
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#9

On 07/19/2013 05:03 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> DD line has spaces start and end, you have to remove them.

i don’t see those spaces in either my thunderbird or chrome ??

and, anyway i get the same results with lots of extra spaces…because
each space just becomes another “+” in google’s url, like:

https://www.google.dk/search?q=site%3Aforums.opensuse.org+++NNTP++access+problem++ab+&oq=site%3Aforums.opensuse.org+++NNTP++access+problem++ab+&aqs=chrome.0.57j58.14031j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

so, i don’t think whether it goes to google.dk, .es, or .com has much
to do with the way the results are returned–BUT, if google has
figured out a way to increase profit by shaping results according to
where the search originates–then you can rest assured that they do.

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dd

#10

On 2013-07-19 07:26, dd wrote:
> On 07/19/2013 05:03 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> DD line has spaces start and end, you have to remove them.
>
> i don’t see those spaces in either my thunderbird or chrome ??
>
> and, anyway i get the same results with lots of extra spaces…because
> each space just becomes another “+” in google’s url, like:
>
> https://www.google.dk/search?q=site%3Aforums.opensuse.org+++NNTP++access+problem++ab+&oq=site%3Aforums.opensuse.org+++NNTP++access+problem++ab+&aqs=chrome.0.57j58.14031j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I meant spaces start and end, not middle. But anyway, I tried again and
I get an extra space at the end of the google search box, even if I
don’t see it here.

> so, i don’t think whether it goes to google.dk, .es, or .com has much to
> do with the way the results are returned–BUT, if google has figured out
> a way to increase profit by shaping results according to where the
> search originates–then you can rest assured that they do.

Sometimes the results are different, because it searches first for
results in the national language, or results in that country.

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Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 12.3 x86_64 “Dartmouth” at Telcontar)

#11

It would appear that on Jul 19, Carlos E. R. did say:

> On 2013-07-18 20:17, JtWdyP wrote:
>
> > I think the search engines must dislike me…
>
>
> > But anyway, I just used the clipboard to copy your code tagged search string
> > directly to the google search engine.
>
> DD line has spaces start and end, you have to remove them. Also, it
> depends if you get your “local” google engine or the international one.
> Google for me is google.es, so I have to insist to get google.com.

Ah ha! That worked but I don’t get it. I always thought that there might be a
difference between the search engine box next to the location box on my browser(s)
and going to the search engine’s primary search site and typing the search
there.

But I thought the search box in the search results was the same as a fresh empty
one without search results… Lesson learned.

But anyway next time I can’t find what I’m looking for with other search
engines that don’t track me, {aka startpage} And I decide to actually “google”
it. I hope I remember to skip the built in search engine that opera won’t let
me delete anymore, and go directly to my bookmark for https://www.google.com/
cause at least some searches seam to work better that way…

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#12

On 2013-07-20 23:35, JtWdyP wrote:

> But anyway next time I can’t find what I’m looking for with other search
> engines that don’t track me, {aka startpage} And I decide to actually “google”
> it. I hope I remember to skip the built in search engine that opera won’t let
> me delete anymore, and go directly to my bookmark for https://www.google.com/
> cause at least some searches seam to work better that way…

It is pain, not being tracked by google that way.

I just got an Samsung “smartphone”, android based. It is a nice thing,
but for getting most of the software you have to use a google account,
so they track you full time.

I even have to use the same account on the computer in order to find
software for the gadget, and log in to google in order to download it…
as I forget to log out, every search, unrelated, I do, is tracked.

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Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 12.3 x86_64 “Dartmouth” at Telcontar)