I have a 64kbps internet connection (considerably slow). Last year it took me about 20 hours to upgrade Ubuntustudio from 10.04 to 10.10, but it was still less than the 60 hours it takes to download the +/- 1.50GB Ubuntustudio DVD.
As it seems Opensuse 11.4 is coming. But it is almost impossible for me to download a 4.7GB DVD. So can anyone tell me if it delays too much to upgrade Opensuse on-line? I just have the packages that come with the Gnome CD, Wine and some multimedia players, codecs and editors I added. Does anyone image how long it would take me to do the online upgrade when the 11.4 version is released?
Consider buying a disk when they become available. I really don’t think you will save much upgrading on line.
On 2011-02-15 16:36, fernando a martin wrote:
> As it seems Opensuse 11.4 is coming. But it is almost impossible for me
> to download a 4.7GB DVD. So can anyone tell me if it delays too much to
> upgrade Opensuse on-line?
Just fire the upgrade, and it will tell how much it will download, and ask
if you want to proceed. Say no this time. Divide the bytes by 6, and you
have an aproximation of the seconds it will take.
We can not make an estimate for you, as we don’t know the size of your
“upgrade” session.
My guess: two days.
Recommendation: do a dry run in advance, to download things before doing
the actual upgrade.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” at Telcontar)
as a VERY rough guess, open My Computer and look at the size of your
root partition (in my My Computer) that is the first partition, at the
top, shown as /, and then the next is /home…take that figure and
multiply it by 1048576 (kb per GiB) then divide it by 64 to get the
number of seconds to download, divide that by 360 to get the number of
hours…then add some, because you will not always get a full
46kbps download speed, and their will be dropped packets, errors and
whatever which will require packets to be fetched more than once…
the short answer is probably: about the same as any other ‘major’
distro i’d think…
on the other hand, Puppy should be a LOT faster…(it is a lot smaller)
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DenverD
CAVEAT: http://is.gd/bpoMD
[NNTP posted w/openSUSE 11.3, KDE4.5.5, Thunderbird3.0.11, nVidia
173.14.28 3D, Athlon 64 3000+]
“It is far easier to read, understand and follow the instructions than
to undo the problems caused by not.” DD 23 Jan 11
What is doing a “dry run in advance”? What things should I download before the actual upgrade?
Nice idea for calculating. I’ll do it when 11.4 will be released together with Carlos E. R.'s idea. But what would be the advantage of Puppy for an Opensuse user? I deal with many multimedia editting and playing. I am also that kind of user that likes to be always exploring different resources and configurations. That’s why I moved to Linux, installed and configured Ubuntustudio. But when I tried to do advanced configs on it I found out that everything was in command line. It’s painful. I like GUI’s. So I moved to Opensuse. After it was working fine I discovered some advantages of Mandriva that works in a very similar way. But Opensuse still have its own advantages too. So I kept on it. I think it would be a new pain to change my distro now, wouldn’t it be?
On 02/19/2011 02:36 AM, fernando a martin wrote:
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> But what would be the advantage of Puppy for an Opensuse user?
less code to move through the pipes takes less time to do so…
> So I kept on it. I
> think it would be a new pain to change my distro now, wouldn’t it be?
you seemed to be unhappy with the amount of time it takes to get the
code base into your computer…as long as you are unwilling to move
less code, you will just have to live with that tiny pipe…
that is, you can’t have openSUSE (or any other fancy distro) through a
64kbps in quick time…so, find a bucket of patience…
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DenverD
CAVEAT: http://is.gd/bpoMD
[NNTP posted w/openSUSE 11.3, KDE4.5.5, Thunderbird3.0.11, nVidia
173.14.28 3D, Athlon 64 3000+]
“It is far easier to read, understand and follow the instructions than
to undo the problems caused by not.” DD 23 Jan 11
We have users in Brazil who may be happy to post you a DVD
And it’s sometimes possible to a magazine with a DVD included, though the DVD may only have the LiveCD along with other stuff as part of the magazine.
On 2011-02-19 02:36, fernando a martin wrote:
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> robin_listas;2290325 Wrote:
>>
>>
>> Recommendation: do a dry run in advance, to download things before
>> doing the actual upgrade.
>>
>>
>
> What is doing a “dry run in advance”?
It is documented in the wiki, and the man page:
-D, --dry-run
Test the installation, do not actually install any
package. This option will add the --test option to
the rpm commands run by the install command.
Download-and-install mode options:
>>>> -d, --download-only
Only download the packages for later installation.
–download-in-advance
First download all packages, ten start installing.
> What things should I download
> before the actual upgrade?
ALL!
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.2 x86_64 “Emerald” at Telcontar)
Interesting. Surprising too. Users in Brazil who may post me a DVD? Who? And how? In Brazil there still seems to bew few people who use Linux. Almost everyone who hears me saying that I use it and like it look at me with surprise and most of them say they don’t know almost anything about it. Some don’t even know what Linux is. When I decided to move to Opensuse I looked for a magazine with DVD but didn’t find any. There are few magazines with Linux and most of them bring Ubuntu or some brazilian distros aimed at brazilian public. Even in Brazilian sites who sell DVD’s Opensuse was not available or out of date. Out of curiosity: About how many Opensuse users there are in Brazil?
Do you have any suggestions for me to acquire the DVD taht are not very expensive?
I’m not in Brazil, but I assume that there are basic postal services? As for who, read this article: openSUSE News. If that doesn’t get you anywhere, I would recommend contacting your closest university, I’d be willing to bet there users who use openSUSE there.
At any rate, not to discourage you altogether, but unfortunately, even 11.4 will inevitably come with its own online updates (hopefully not 4 GB worth for a while, but still).
On 02/21/2011 01:36 AM, fernando a martin wrote:
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> In Brazil there still seems to bew few people who use
> Linux.
somewhere around here in the last six months to a year i remember
there was another user from Brazil…
here track them down using google (it is not rocket science):
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aforums.opensuse.org+Brazil
and, note how easy it is to aim google right at the forums with
“site:forums.opensuse.org”
and, don’t forget your local Linux User Group:
http://www.linux.com/community/groups/viewgroup/1290-Brazil+Linux+User+Groups
oh, and ask for a handful of DVD to give to your MS challenged
friends:
http://news.opensuse.org/2011/02/18/help-the-project-spread-opensuse-dvds/
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DenverD
CAVEAT: http://is.gd/bpoMD
[NNTP posted w/openSUSE 11.3, KDE4.5.5, Thunderbird3.0.11, nVidia
173.14.28 3D, Athlon 64 3000+]
“It is far easier to read, understand and follow the instructions than
to undo the problems caused by not.” DD 23 Jan 11
Hi all you people. You added me much knowledge in some few answers. I didn’t know that we can focus Google search in one specific site. Great for other sites with much content but little organbization. Also didn’t know that there was an Opensuse conference in Brazil, that the large Itaipú company uses it and that Opensuse now distributes DVD’s to anywhere in the world. Well I think that I may wait some few days until 11.4 is released to see if I can apply your suggestions.
But now I have a more urgent question:
I use Nvidia proprietary drivers. What can I do to avoid a video crash if I update to 11.4? Should I uninstall drivers before upgrade, download anything new, hope that Nvidia will solve it by themselves or what else?
And what about softwares that I installed from packman? How can I keep them working?
On 03/01/2011 01:36 PM, fernando a martin wrote:
>
> Hi all you people. You added me much knowledge in some few answers. I
> didn’t know that we can focus Google search in one specific site. Great
> for other sites with much content but little organbization. Also didn’t
> know that there was an Opensuse conference in Brazil, that the large
> Itaipú company uses it and that Opensuse now distributes DVD’s to
> anywhere in the world. Well I think that I may wait some few days until
> 11.4 is released to see if I can apply your suggestions.
> But now I have a more urgent question:
> I use Nvidia proprietary drivers. What can I do to avoid a video crash
> if I update to 11.4? Should I uninstall drivers before upgrade, download
> anything new, hope that Nvidia will solve it by themselves or what else?
> And what about softwares that I installed from packman? How can I keep
> them working?
The nouveau driver may work with your device. If the screen comes up black or
garbled, you can reboot with a “nomodeset” in the GRUB boot options. That gets
you the nv driver, which does not have 3D acceleration, but will work on nearly
every system. If you want the proprietary driver, you should be able to download
from the 11.4 equivalent of whatever repo you have been using.
Packman will have an 11.4 section.