hi
How can I move ALL window controls(close/min/max) to the left (or right)?
Configure Desktop - Workspace appearance
Are you sure?
I don’t find
Should be but I’m not on Leap
I don’t like the KDE regression and the lose of many functions.
Sure you are using the 5 version the settings program?
Configure Desktop - Workspace appearance - Windows decoration That is traditionally where it is
Well, “lose of many functions” is a bit over-exaggerated, I’d say.
Yes, it’s not possible to have different widget sets and wallpapers per virtual desktop, screensaver support has been dropped, the clock’s calendar cannot show Holidays and events from Akonadi yet (because KDEPIM was still KDE4 based, it’s already implemented though since recently and will be in one of the next versions) and some plasmoids are not ported yet.
At least that’s all I can think of at the moment…
OTOH, it has new features/functions as well, and some have been reworked to the better.
Configure Desktop - Workspace appearance - Windows decoration That is traditionally where it is
It’s Application Appearance->Window Decorations in systemsettings5.
Thank you very much
Someday I’d like to find the list of new feature that offset the lose of the old. So far what I have seen is features I’ll never use where as the features that are gone I do use 
Well, one nice feature is the general “Alternatives” menu item for plasmoids, where you can choose between different implementations of the same thing (e.g. normal taskmanager/icons-only taskmanager, digital/analog/fuzzy clock, the different application menus, …), in KDE4 this was only possible for the application menu.
Or the undo functionality when removing widgets .
Or being able to see a list of recently opened documents for each application entry in the application menu.
The new “push to show the toolbar handle” feature (experimental in 5.3 and 5.4, enabled by default in 5.5) that makes locking widgets unnecessary and prevents that irritating appearing/disappearing of the widget handles when you move the mouse.
Am official option to hide the toolbox icon (formerly known as cashew), lot of people hated that… 
And probably a lot more small improvements here and there.
From the missing features I listed, I only “used” screensavers, and the calendar events which will reappear soon…
Oh, and I forgot one thing that also is still missing: being able to integrate separate windows into one with tabs. But I never used that either.
Have you actually tried to use it yet (a current version)?
I’d trade all those for a proper virtual desktop ala KDE4
I would not use any one of those though having a doc history at the desktop level probably would be nice in business. I have no need
A widget undo really you can’t just grab it again?
each and every one of those could have been added to KDE4 without removing fundamental functions.
The push to unlock probably would be nice for new user since they seem confused about unlocking and locking widgets. I have no need
Add to that that from reports here plasma 5 seems a bit wobbly I’ll sit out doing any leaping for a bit
I think the removal of the virtual desktops functions was more political then technical. I think they wanted to force people to use Activities more which they have been pushing for sometime. .
Virtual Desktops are supported like ever.
But I suppose you mean the feature to have separate widgets/wallpapers on different desktops?
Well, that’s not possible, yes.
But that’s one feature, not “a lot of features” that are missing.
Personally I never found that useful at all anyway, but that’s just me.
I would not use any one of those though having a doc history at the desktop level probably would be nice in business. I have no need
Well, there is a “doc history at the desktop level” in KDE3 and 4 already.
What’s new is that the application menu now also shows the history for each application separately.
Another new feature (will be in 5.5) will be so-called jump lists, i.e. application-specific additional commands offered by the applications in the application menu or taskmanager entries.
A widget undo really you can’t just grab it again?
Hm?
If you remove a widget or panel by mistake, you just click on “Undo” and it is restored just like it was before you removed it, with all settings and so on.
each and every one of those could have been added to KDE4 without removing fundamental functions.
“Fundamental functions” were removed?
One function was removed (or rather not reimplemented) that you seem to use.
And no, not every one could have been added to KDE4. Some features needed redesigns at a fundamental level.
OTOH, it would also never have been possible to port KDE4 (using Qt4) to Wayland.
But you probably have no need for this either…
The push to unlock probably would be nice for new user since they seem confused about unlocking and locking widgets. I have no need
I never locked my widget at all, still I like this change.
Add to that that from reports here plasma 5 seems a bit wobbly I’ll sit out doing any leaping for a bit
Well, many problems are due to graphics drivers issues.
I don’t see anything “wobbly” here at all, except my windows when dragging because of the “Wobbly Windows” effect (already available in KDE4 too).
I think the removal of the virtual desktops functions was more political then technical.
You think?
I didn’t know you were a Plasma coder that knows the source code in and out…
How much do you really know about the technical backgrounds regarding this?
I think they wanted to force people to use Activities more which they have been pushing for sometime. .
Yeah, right…
Actually, with separate widgets/wallpapers on virtual desktops you were implicitly using (separate) Activities.
In Plasma 5.5 there will also be new activity switcher applet, that looks and feels like the virtual desktop pager.
If Activities can be used like virtual desktops, and even the way how you use them is the same or similar, why would you have to bother whether you are using virtual desktops or Activities?
But for your information, I did/do not use Activities in KDE4, and I am not using it in Plasma5.
I see that they can be useful though.
And note that I don’t want to persuade you to use Plasma5. I don’t care really.
But you stated that there’s a “lose of many functions”, and that’s nonsense or at least unfair.
Well, there is a “doc history at the desktop level” in KDE3 and 4 already.
What’s new is that the application menu now also shows the history for each application separately.
Another new feature (will be in 5.5) will be so-called jump lists, i.e. application-specific additional commands offered by the applications in the application menu or taskmanager entries.
Nice I guess I have no use for it can see where others would but it certainly should not interfere with having proper VD
Hm?
If you remove a widget or panel by mistake, you just click on “Undo” and it is restored just like it was before you removed it, with all settings and so on.
Yep got that I find it easy enough to just re install it if I ever mess up. Nice little add on but certainly not a great change and does not warrant removal of VD functionality and could have easly been added to KDE4
OTOH, it would also never have been possible to port KDE4 (using Qt4) to Wayland.
Well in a year or two when Wayland finally becomes usable maybe And I have no objections to move in to it but when the cost is something that made KDE unique I wonder why I need KDE
I don't see anything "wobbly" here at al
There seems to be lots of plasma 5 problems above and beyond lost functionality and yes a lot has to do with the huge leap taken and graphic problem and maybe problems with sddm. all of which says to me sit this upgrade out. I may do a test install after first of the year but I require an absolutely reliable OS which I have with 13.2 maybe they will some of the major glitches ironed out by then/
I’m not a plasma programmer but maybe I should try since these guys don’t seen to know how to do but if this was done properly you simply render the background for each desk top and maintain a structure with the widgets and background for each VD. If they can’t do that they have seriously moved backward. The KDE developers have been pushing Activities over Virtual Desktops for some time even back when Activities were totally broken. Someone thinks it is a great idea and to tell the truth it is a good idea but not at the expense of of the Virtual desktop functionality
It is totally stupid to have virtual desktops and have the same widgets and background. You might as well just eliminate the VD if you can’t at a glance see which VD you are on. A VD is a workspace and each workspace should be unique and identifiable. Yes Activities do do this but activities are awkward to change compared to VD. I mean activities are neat you could have a different activity set for each client project but inside of the activity you may need further division having different Virtual Desktops for sub functions maybe one for web devlopment one for program one for billing one for graphics. Each of these functions have different needs and use different tools and my require different widgets. The lose of separate widgets on each VD is a serious drawback.
I have similar – though not exactly the same – views on this, especially (as you know by now) the different backgrounds and widgets per VD. And, so do many others. According to statistical research about feedback, you can assume that for every one complaint, there are at least 5 to 10 other people who have the same views, but do not take the time to complain.
Here is just one subset of the Linux users complaining:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143
It does not interfere with having proper VD.
That’s completely unrelated.
Yep got that I find it easy enough to just re install it if I ever mess up. Nice little add on but certainly not a great change and does not warrant removal of VD functionality and could have easly been added to KDE4
If you say so, but nobody will add it to “KDE4”.
It’s just one of the features being added in Plasma5, in contrast to your claim of “a lot of features” having been removed.
And again, this is not a reason to remove “VD functionality”, which hasn’t been removed in the first place.
Well in a year or two when Wayland finally becomes usable maybe And I have no objections to move in to it but when the cost is something that made KDE unique I wonder why I need KDE
The point was that KDE4 as it was (or Plasma1 and KDM rather) cannot be ported to Wayland, and will never run on Wayland.
There seems to be lots of plasma 5 problems above and beyond lost functionality and yes a lot has to do with the huge leap taken and graphic problem and maybe problems with sddm.
“Lost functionality” seems to boil down to that one feature for you, that was my point.
Many Plasma5 problems are related to the graphics drivers again, just like the initial problems with KDE4 were.
See also: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2015/10/some-thoughts-on-the-quality-of-plasma-5/comment-page-1/ , written by the main kwin developer.
I never said Plasma5 is perfect though, there are problems, yes (some of them are in Qt5 though).
Just like there are (still) problems in KDE4 (or even KDE3 for that matter).
Just nobody will fix those any more…
I am just not agreeing with your original statement of “a lot of features are missing”, when even you only miss one feature apparently.
all of which says to me sit this upgrade out. I may do a test install after first of the year but I require an absolutely reliable OS which I have with 13.2 maybe they will some of the major glitches ironed out by then/
Fine with me, and maybe not the worst idea…
I’m not a plasma programmer but maybe I should try since these guys don’t seen to know how to do but if this was done properly you simply render the background for each desk top and maintain a structure with the widgets and background for each VD.
Ok, just send in a patch then, I’m pretty sure it will get accepted if implemented properly.
Btw, as it looks to me, different wallpapers for separate VDs are going to be implemented, just in a different way though.
The way this was done in KDE4 was just a hack to make users happy.
If they can’t do that they have seriously moved backward. The KDE developers have been pushing Activities over Virtual Desktops for some time even back when Activities were totally broken. Someone thinks it is a great idea and to tell the truth it is a good idea but not at the expense of of the Virtual desktop functionality
Well, that’s your opinion and it’s not technically founded at all.
So it’s rather you being political here…
I find your claim a bit ridiculous even I have to say, as the one Plasma developer that doesn’t want to re-implement the “different widgets for each virtual desktop” feature doesn’t work at all on Activities.
It is totally stupid to have virtual desktops and have the same widgets and background.
Actually I think the opposite.
I find it rather stupid to have to add all widgets separately to each virtual desktop, especially in the case of notes applets which I use all over the place.
You might as well just eliminate the VD if you can’t at a glance see which VD you are on.
That’s just about the wallpaper, right?
As mentioned above, this might even get implemented.
A VD is a workspace and each workspace should be unique and identifiable.
Not really.
An “Activity” is a workspace.
VDs are just a way to increase the available space.
And VDs are a feature of X11, which has no notion of widgets (in this context) at all.
Yes Activities do do this but activities are awkward to change compared to VD. I mean activities are neat you could have a different activity set for each client project but inside of the activity you may need further division having different Virtual Desktops for sub functions maybe one for web devlopment one for program one for billing one for graphics. Each of these functions have different needs and use different tools and my require different widgets. The lose of separate widgets on each VD is a serious drawback.
Again, you are being political (or stubborn) here IMHO.
If activities provide this function and even can be used in the same way as VDs, why would anybody have to insist in using VDs?
Yeah, but statistics is just that.
If there never would have been this hack in KDE4 (as a means to get different wallpapers for VDs back), nobody would even notice that it is gone in Plasma5…
And it doesn’t resolve the underlying technical problems either.
Here is just one subset of the Linux users complaining:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143
As you know it is not closed, and there are even suggestions by a Plasma developer how to implement it (different wallpapers at least).
So it might even get implemented again…
Gave a perfect example of how I use a VM+Activites. Each project has an Activity. Each activity has multiple desktops each desk top sub project requires its own Widgets. This is no longer doable in Plasma 5 thus a regression and the VD are not proper per previous standards
Hm, you didn’t give that example before AFAIR, actually I had the impression you don’t see a need for Activities at all (nor wanted to use them).
But at least we are getting more concrete now…
This is no longer doable in Plasma 5 thus a regression and the VD are not proper per previous standards
Yes, this is not possible.
So it is a regression for you.
Still not “a lot of functions removed”…
VDs are still “proper” though, and “previous standards” are relative.
E.g. this wasn’t possible in KDE3 either, and neither in KDE4’s first versions.
Anyway, discussing it here further won’t bring that feature back.
And it’s not really related to the OP’s problem anyway.
Indeed. In fact, one of my favourite quotes is the one:"There are three increasing levels of lies: Lies, dammed(sic) lies, and statistics."
(Why the innocuous dam with n is blocked, I have no clue, but that one seems silly…)
If there never would have been this hack in KDE4 (as a means to get different wallpapers for VDs back), nobody would even notice that it is gone in Plasma5…
Likely quite true.
As you know it is not closed, and there are even suggestions by a Plasma developer how to implement it (different wallpapers at least).
So it might even get implemented again…
Yes, I am hoping so. But, I keep spreading that link hoping more will hop on board, might increase the chances it gets done and speed up the timeline. Never know.:\
… but, it seems to me we are now getting off on a major tangent from the OP?