Hitchhiker's Guide and openSUSE

Heading into OT territory, for those following. :slight_smile:

On Thu, 06 Jul 2017 01:26:01 +0000, GooeyGirl wrote:

> Oh that is -brilliant- – i am seriously impressed.

Naturally, it’s also a signed towel. Adams was pretty cool about it,
though I’m sure it wasn’t the first (he said he’d never signed one before
at the time, but I’ve met people who know otherwise).

> Of course i revere
> 42 & to my probable embarrassment have incorporated it in many small
> ways into my everyday life for many years].

All of my systems - sans my work Macbook (which is named by company
policy) - are named after places or organizations in H2G2. My current
main desktop is Artifactovol, and my workhorse “server” (running multiple
VMs) is Lamuella. Over the years, I’ve used Beetlegeuse, Megadodo,
Brequinda, Bethselamin (naturally, a Windows system), Allosimanius
Syneca, Krikkit, Huwalius, and a host of others. I do end up using a lot
of the lesser-known place names these days, because the big names have
been used already - and I try not to reuse names.

> However, in the decades
> since my university days i have grown progressively sadder to find fewer
> & fewer places where / people who “got” my myriad casual insertions of
> key phrases & concepts into otherwise vanilla conversations. Much more
> recently, since i first heard of openSUSE, & then learned the
> bifurcation of Leap & Tumbleweed, i was frequently puzzled by Leap’s
> 42… but never dared to believe it might have an origin as you’ve now
> advised. Such happy news! I mean, -really- - a nice OS and an
> associated community that understands The Total Perspective Vortex,
> Vogon poetry & The Infinite Improbability Drive, not to mention why you
> should be really scared if you ever find yourself materialising inside a
> super-chic spaceship that’s all black, including black buttons & black
> screens with black writing on a black background…

The real question is whether that ship that’s “so black” is owned by
Disaster Area or the Hagunenons. :wink:

The latter version has one of my favourite lines (of many, many favourite
lines) - “looks like a fish, moves like a fish, steers like a cow”.

> Maybe i’m home [if only i can come to grips with repo management &
> package installations sans mass destruction].

I’m sure you’ll get there :slight_smile:

(Might be a good idea to move this part of the discussion to the general-
chit-chat forum) :slight_smile:

Jim

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(Split this thread and moved from Installation/Boot/Login - for the NNTP users)

Teehee, this was so good to read. rotfl!

On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 10:06:01 +0000, GooeyGirl wrote:

> Teehee, this was -so good- to read. rotfl!

You could say I’m a bit of a fan. I get all teary-eyed when I hear Louis
Armstrong’s “What a Wonderful World”. The fact that my sister-in-law had
it played at her wedding - which was on the anniversary of Adams’ death -
was a coincidence only my wife understood. :slight_smile:

Jim

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Nice.

A hundred years ago at uni, one of my friends was immersed one day early on in a thin paperback, & was walking around between lectures alternatively reading & giggling/cackling. It was Book 1, & until that time i had been supremely ignorant of its existence, & of the great DA. It was an ignorance that i subsequently strove to eradicate. The five book trilogy continues to rank Right Up There in my all-time faves, while the BBC?] HHGTTG radio series though obviously differing from the books in many areas was simply seminal & continues to exist on my old C-90s (any younger readers here would not even know what i mean by that) as Treasured Artefacts.

I like to believe that without DA & HHGTTG, there’d have been no Red Dwarf, no Hyperdrive & then maybe also no Spaced]… & that’d have been a great shame.

Just… please… let’s not even mention the tv series, or the movie [mind you, Bill Nighy was [i]made for the role of Slartibartfast]…

On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 00:26:01 +0000, GooeyGirl wrote:

> Nice.
>
> A hundred years ago at uni, one of my friends was immersed one day early
> on in a thin paperback, & was walking around between lectures
> alternatively reading & giggling/cackling. It was Book 1, & until that
> time i had been supremely ignorant of its existence, & of the great DA.
> It was an ignorance that i subsequently strove to eradicate. The five
> book trilogy continues to rank Right Up There in my all-time faves,
> while the BBC?] HHGTTG radio series though obviously differing from the
> books in many areas was simply seminal & continues to exist on my old
> C-90s (any younger readers here would not even know what i mean by that)
> as Treasured Artefacts.

It is, naturally, one of the most interesting pieces of H2G2 lore - that
every version of the story is different. I keep copies of the radio
scripts (two copies of the primary/secondary phase scripts - because one
is so worn from use - as well as the tertiary through quintessential
phases) within reach (just below the towel, I realize now).

My younger brother and I used to listen to the radio series as we were
falling asleep, and we’d quiz each other on minutiae from the radio
series. I can quite literally recite the primary/secondary phases in my
sleep as a result, but I still listen to them at least once a year -
usually around towel day.

The thing that amazes me about DNA’s writing is that there are layers to
it - even though with the radio series, often the script was delivered
during recording (that happened more than once in the secondary phase,
which is why there are sections that have no sound effects or even music
behind them). I always find something new on a re-listen.

> I like to believe that without DA & HHGTTG, there’d have been no -Red
> Dwarf-, no -Hyperdrive- & then -maybe- also no -Spaced-]… & that’d
> have been a great shame.

Yes indeed. I also think one of the funniest Doctor Who episodes
probably wouldn’t have happened - The Pirate Planet. The sense of
absurdity that his writing brought out in Hitchhiker’s in 1977 continued
in TPP in 1978. I honestly don’t think anyone other than Tom Baker
could’ve pulled that off, either.

> Just… please… let’s not even mention the tv series, or the movie
> [mind you, Bill Nighy was -made- for the role of Slartibartfast]…

:slight_smile:

There are some rather interesting things about the TV series, though - it
was one of the first times chroma key (green screen, though it was a blue
screen at that time) was used for live action work. It had been done in
Star Wars, but IIRC, it was always done just for the space scenes, never
with live actors acting against it. There were some other fairly
interesting technical achievements - the work that Rod Lord did on the
graphics for the guide also was pretty groundbreaking at the time - I
actually have a signed litho of the Babel Fish hanging on the wall here
in my home office.

And of course, Peter Davison as the “Dish of the Day” in Milliways is
also a nice inclusion.

While I do agree about the movie - the Factory Floor scene was
breathtaking.

Neither the TV series nor the movie get much attention from me. It’s
generally the radio series that I think of when I think of H2G2. To
paraphrase DNA, radio is a visual medium, and the visuals in that medium
are so stunningly good that no video-based medium can live up to it.
That held true with the tertiary-quintessential phases as well, which I
thought Dirk Maggs did a great job putting together.

As you can tell, I can talk about this subject quite a bit. :smiley:


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I can talk about this subject quite a bit

Nah, i see no compelling evidence of that! rotfl!

As a momentary aside, i quite enjoy the linguistic perversity that green-screens can be blue, much like black-boxes can be orange [unless we’re talking thermodynamics, in which case of course they’re chartreuse with nice turquoise edging]. For some odd reason little absurdities like these rather please me.

I keep copies of the radio scripts (two copies of the primary/secondary phase scripts - because one is so worn from use - as well as the tertiary through quintessential phases) within reach (just below the towel, I realize now).

Dropped jaw levered back up & stitched back into place.

one of the funniest Doctor Who episodes probably wouldn’t have happened - The Pirate Planet. The sense ofabsurdity that his writing brought out in Hitchhiker’s in 1977 continued in TPP in 1978.

I watched DW as a young kid, & have been an excited Whovian since Russell T rebirthed it. In between though, i was a Totally Lapsed Pre-Whovian, hence TPP et al entirely bypassed me. I’ve just seen that YouTube has some links for it so i’ll have a look after this.

Peter Davison

Hmmmm. He’s a good example of how sometimes an actor’s specific characteristics can irrevocably alienate them from some viewers. I really can’t put my finger on it specifically, but he just gives me the Irrits bigtime & i avoid him. I do have a partial theory though on it… typecasting… in my mind he is indelibly associated with his roles as the useless Tristan in All Creatures Great & Small, & as the feckless hubby in At Home With The Braithwaites. Somehow his clueless frivolous incompetence in the first, & spineless moral bankruptcy in the second, have imprinted on my mind as being his characteristics, rather than merely [of course] just his characters. Silly of me, & it mostly does not happen elsewhere [albeit i have really struggled with Peter Capaldi as the recent DW; would [i]Malcolm really get a gig like that?]. Hence, for me, PD as the “Dish of the Day” in Milliways was a let-down not joy that it should have been.

It’s generally the radio series that I think of when I think of H2G2. To paraphrase DNA, radio is a visual medium, and the visuals in that medium are so stunningly good that no video-based medium can live up to it.

For me it’s the books first, then the radio series & then… nothing else, teehee]. The books because of their emotional significance to me historically – it was they not radio that introduced me to DA & HHGTTG, & it was at Uni which was A Big Deal in a holistic life sense [hence the temporal emotional linkage]. However, also because of your paraphrased DNA – the ungarnished written word unleashes the most vivid powerful sensory engine of all – the imagination – & so far no audio nor visual technological sophistication has come close to topping that, for me.

Afterthought: You know, since you kindly let me in on the openSUSE / HHGTTG linkage per 42, i do slightly worry & wonder if maybe i’m not being “unfaithful” by using TW rather than Leap. Trouble is, having tried both in my VMs, it was TW that truly stood out to me as being “my” new OS… hence it was TW not Leap that replaced Maui on my Lappy, & to which i’d like also to convert my Tower [if i can but only solve the lingering MPE WinePrefix No-Sync problem]. I hope that DA is not too disappointed with me…

On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 00:46:02 +0000, GooeyGirl wrote:

>> I can talk about this subject quite a bit
>
> Nah, i see no compelling evidence of that! rotfl!

LOL

> As a momentary aside, i quite enjoy the linguistic perversity that
> green-screens can be blue, much like black-boxes can be orange [unless
> we’re talking thermodynamics, in which case of course they’re chartreuse
> with nice turquoise edging]. For some odd reason little absurdities like
> these rather please me.

Well, before green screens were green, they were blue. Not sure why they
changed, presumably because the green is easier to key out (blue probably
being more common). :slight_smile:

>> I keep copies of the radio scripts (two copies of the primary/secondary
>> phase scripts - because one is so worn from use - as well as the
>> tertiary through quintessential phases) within reach (just below the
>> towel, I realize now).
>
> Dropped jaw levered back up & stitched back into place.

LOL - that’s an interesting visual. :slight_smile: The books were published by
Harmony Books (who published the book books in the US), the Tertiary-
Quintessential were by Pan, who was the UK publisher.

But there are errors in the script books as well. They tried to include
bits that had been cut from the broadcast (but were in the scripts), and
there are a few places where they don’t match up. The notes at the end
of each fit are also quite interesting - including notes about the music
listed in the primary phase. I’ve actually managed to find most of it,
though the specific chord from Ligeti’s Volumina (IIRC) is a challenge to
find in that piece - Ligeti can be difficult to listen to (we recently
heard a performance of his Requiem - which was used in “2001: A Space
Odyssey” - definitely a unique piece to hear performed in its entirety).

>> one of the funniest Doctor Who episodes probably wouldn’t have happened
>> - The Pirate Planet. The sense ofabsurdity that his writing brought out
>> in Hitchhiker’s in 1977 continued in TPP in 1978.
>
> I watched DW as a young kid, & have been an excited Whovian since
> Russell T rebirthed it. In between though, i was a Totally Lapsed
> Pre-Whovian, hence TPP -et al- entirely bypassed me. I’ve just seen that
> YouTube has some links for it so i’ll have a look after this.

We have really enjoyed the new series, though we’re sad to see Capaldi
leave the show. I’m hoping to avoid news of who’s next (if you’ll pardon
the pun), but I don’t really think I’ll avoid the news until the
Christmas episode - which is a shame. It’d be nice to be surprised.

>> Peter Davison
>
> Hmmmm. He’s a good example of how sometimes an actor’s specific
> characteristics can irrevocably alienate them from some viewers. I
> really can’t put my finger on it specifically, but he just gives me
> the Irrits bigtime & i avoid him. I do have a partial theory though on
> it… typecasting… in my mind he is indelibly associated with his
> roles as the useless Tristan in -All Creatures Great & Small-, & as the
> feckless hubby in -At Home With The Braithwaites-. Somehow his clueless
> frivolous incompetence in the first, & spineless moral bankruptcy in the
> second, have imprinted on my mind as being his characteristics, rather
> than merely [of course] just his characters. Silly of me, & it mostly
> does not happen elsewhere [albeit i have really struggled with Peter
> Capaldi as the recent DW; would -Malcolm- really get a gig like that?].
> Hence, for me, PD as -the “Dish of the Day” in Milliways- was a let-down
> not joy that it should have been.

The thing that surprised me about his appearance in the H2G2 TV show was
that the make-up was good enough that I didn’t recognise him at first.
It was a bit of a last-minute addition, because he is married to Sandra
Dickenson.

I thought the way they included her in the Quintessential phase of H2G2
(The radio version) was very clever. Even though when it comes down to
it, there is only one true Trillian, and it isn’t Sandra. :slight_smile:

>> It’s generally the radio series that I think of when I think of H2G2.
>> To paraphrase DNA, radio is a visual medium, and the visuals in that
>> medium are so stunningly good that no video-based medium can live up to
>> it.
>>
> For me it’s the books first, then the radio series & then… -nothing-
> else, teehee]. The books because of their emotional significance to me
> historically – it was they not radio that introduced me to DA & HHGTTG,
> & it was at Uni which was A Big Deal in a holistic life sense [hence the
> temporal emotional linkage]. However, -also- because of your paraphrased
> DNA – the ungarnished written word unleashes the most vivid powerful
> sensory engine of all – the imagination – & so far no audio nor visual
> technological sophistication has come close to topping that, for me.

That makes sense.

There are some interesting reasons why some of the radio series doesn’t
appear in the books - the Hagunenons, for example, were a John Lloyd
creation - and for the books, DNA wanted it to be his book. He and John
Lloyd collaborated on a few things over the years - including The Meaning
of Liff (which is quite funny - if you like that sort of thing. If the
Uxbridge English Dictionary is entertaining for you and you haven’t read
The Meaning of Liff, you’ll want to).

> Afterthought: You know, since you kindly let me in on the openSUSE /
> HHGTTG linkage per 42, i do slightly worry & wonder if maybe i’m not
> being “unfaithful” by using TW rather than Leap. Trouble is, having
> tried both in my VMs, it was TW that truly stood out to me as being “my”
> new OS… hence it was TW not Leap that replaced Maui on my Lappy, & to
> which i’d like also to convert my Tower [if i can but only solve the
> lingering MPE WinePrefix No-Sync problem]. I hope that DA is not too
> disappointed with me…

Nah. DNA used a Mac, exclusively. He wrote some tech columns which were
pretty good; if you haven’t picked up The Salmon of Doubt, you should.
It’s a collection of unpublished works that includes some of his non-H2G2
writings (and DGHDA as well).

Jim


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I am rather in awe of your depth & breadth of DA/HHGTTG knowledge. A lot of “hard work” has been put in there. :slight_smile:

I’m hoping to avoid news of who’s next

Well out of respect to your [quixotic?] hope, all i shall mention now in response to the overnight [for me] news is… i like it & am excited by it. Indeed, i shed tears of joy.

if you haven’t picked up The Salmon of Doubt, you should. It’s a collection of unpublished works

Again, the weird part of me kicks in here [well in truth, it’s always running my show]. I just love the oxymoronic concept of even being theoretically able to pickup something that’s unpublished. I delight in this kind of thing.

You guys seem to be having fun but I’ll just let you know this will all end in tears :wink:

Since Dr Who was mentioned I thought I’d let you know he will transform into a she by Christmas as the new Dr Who is a woman!

Stuart

With or without a BPO Telephone Box?

Actually I prefer a Bismarck quotation which boils down to something like "The art of politics can be likened to standing in a fog and listening for the hoof-beats of horse at full gallop, and then jumping up behind the rider. The difficulty is, choosing the right horse and the right rider . . . "

Actually, HG2G was first published after I left University – I purchased the books in the UK during my personal journey through the Universe with a notable bunch of rather remarkable people – who all remember their company badge number (needed to claim the company pension) . . .

  • The Pensions Administrator in Sussex is amazed that we (the bunch of . . . ) all have our badge number’s burnt into our brains . . .

Ooops!! My mistake – not BPO: (Metropolitan) Police <Telephone Box> . . .

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 02:16:01 +0000, GooeyGirl wrote:

> I am rather in awe of your depth & breadth of DA/HHGTTG knowledge. A lot
> of “hard work” has been put in there. :slight_smile:

Well, I don’t know about work. :slight_smile:

>> I’m hoping to avoid news of who’s next
> Well out of respect to your [quixotic?] hope, all i shall mention now in
> response to the overnight [for me] news is… i -like- it & am -excited-
> by it. Indeed, i shed tears of joy.

I managed to avoid the news for about 5 minutes. I don’t know how I
thought I’d manage 5 months of not knowing. :slight_smile:

>> if you haven’t picked up The Salmon of Doubt, you should. It’s a
>> collection of unpublished works

> Again, the weird part of me kicks in here [well in truth, it’s always
> running my show]. I just love the oxymoronic concept of even being
> theoretically -able- to pickup something that’s -unpublished-. I delight
> in this kind of thing.

There’s a lot of really interesting stuff in the collection. Such a
shame he died so young.

Jim

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On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 02:56:01 +0000, ominus wrote:

> You guys seem to be having fun but I’ll just let you know this will all
> end in tears :wink:

Don’t you know it. :wink:

Jim


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As an aside to the Pan point: the UK prices on my (Pan) collection are as follows (possibly part of galactic bookkeeping and/or the galactic monetary movements):

HG2G 8th printing 1980 95p
The Restaurant at the End of the Universe 6th printing 1981 95p
Life, the universe and everything 1st publication 1982 £1.50
So long, and thanks for all the fish 1st paperback 1985 £1.95

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 16:36:01 +0000, dcurtisfra wrote:

> hendersj;2830181 Wrote:
>> the Tertiary-Quintessential were by Pan, who was the UK publisher.
> As an aside to the Pan point: the UK prices on my (Pan) collection are
> as follows (possibly part of galactic bookkeeping and/or the galactic
> monetary movements):
>
>
> HG2G 8th printing 1980 95p
>
>
> The Restaurant at the End of the Universe 6th printing 1981 95p
>
>
> Life, the universe and everything 1st publication 1982 £1.50
>
>
> So long, and thanks for all the fish 1st paperback 1985 £1.95

Cool. For the actual books, I have US printings, including the
“illustrated” version (which is ‘illustrated’ in that it includes photos
specific to that edition) and the “Ultimate” edition, which includes
“Young Zaphod Plays It Safe”.

And a few digital editions, naturally.

$3.95 for the paperback edition sitting next to the scripts.

Jim


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You bet your life it will still be there, I cannot ever see the Tardis changing its external shape it’s so iconic. I think people would complain in their millions if it did change.

Stuart