High RAM after snapshot 1/24/2024 (XFCE)

[mong]

Hi,

After snapshot 1/24/2024 my RAM has jumped from 780-800MBs on idle to 2.7GB on my 8MB machine and 900-1050MBs to 3.4GB on my 16MB machine. I think tumblerd is partially to blame (600MBs - what?) but nothing else looks out of whack on TOP.

I never usually look at RAM usage but I ran out on my lighter machine by simply loading FireFox and VS Code at the same time. I don’t see anyone else on the interwebs complaining.

I’ve never run out of RAM before so other than checking TOP I’m not sure what’s next. I’ve rolled back for the time being.

Thanks in advance.

[hendersj]

I wold probably look to compare memory usage before and after and see what’s different. The following command:

ps -eo pid,user,%mem,args --sort -%mem

may be of help with this (it doesn’t give the amount of memory, but it gives the percentage, so you could pipe the output to a file, apply the updates, run FF and VS Code after the upgrade and run this command again and compare. The list of processes won’t be exactly the same, but you should get some idea as to where the memory is being used.

[mong]

Thanks for that command - I did something similar but it wasn’t as useful as this.

So, both are almost identical, within approximately 1% of each other (before update/after update). I see no renegades and the sum percentage (manually summed) after the update is 7% used (1.1GB on my 16GB machine) as per your command. TOP is currently showing 21% (3.4GB); how that number is derived is beyond me.

[mong]

Well that was a horrific use of English.

Both before and after updating, the percentages in the list of TOP are almost the same. Before the update the amount of RAM shown used at the top of, er, TOP was approx. 1.1GB (normal) and 3.4GB (mental) after, even though the list of processes are showing the same percentages (and the same number of processes).

I think I’m making it worse - should I have another drink?

[Lyle_JP]

I noticed a jump in RAM used at idle with XFCE since the 6.7.1 kernel update. Since the 5.15.x series up to 6.6.11, my system was always at around 700-800 MB memory usage at idle.

But since the 6.7.1 kernel update, the usage has shot up to 1.2-1.3 GB at idle. Now, with 32 GB of system RAM available, I have noticed no performance difference at all. So, this isn’t a complaint post. But the memory usage numbers still jumped out at me.

[Keyran17]

Same for me. I have TW with KDE and XFCE in vm and I saw an increase of 30/40%. Even in my laptop with TW KDE same increase. I’m sure the developers will fix it soon. TW has always been very effective in RAM management. we shouldn’t fear worsening…

[VariableStar]

Interesting reports. I have TW with XFCE and did not notice any of this in any of my two computers (desktop & laptop). Both show normal (low) values of idle memory usage. Among the normal packages, Firefox and Thunderbird are usually quite heavy memory users (around 500 MB each). I wonder what other factors may by playing a role all your cases? Some piece of hardware not working well with the new kernel?

FYI, desktop with Firefox & Thunderbird running:

 ps -eo %mem,%cpu,args --sort -%mem
%MEM %CPU COMMAND
 1.4  6.9 /usr/lib64/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin
 1.3 11.7 /usr/lib64/firefox/firefox
 0.9  6.3 /usr/lib64/firefox/firefox -contentproc -childID 2 -isForBrowser -prefsLen 36787 -prefMapSize 241870 -jsInitLen 229864 -parentBuildID 20240108143603 -greomni /usr/lib64/firefox/omni.ja -appomni /usr/li
 0.6  6.8 /usr/lib64/firefox/firefox -contentproc -childID 6 -isForBrowser -prefsLen 31409 -prefMapSize 241870 -jsInitLen 229864 -parentBuildID 20240108143603 -greomni /usr/lib64/firefox/omni.ja -appomni /usr/li
 0.4 23.8 /usr/libexec/packagekitd
 0.4  0.3 /usr/lib64/firefox/firefox -contentproc -childID 1 -isForBrowser -prefsLen 31583 -prefMapSize 241870 -jsInitLen 229864 -parentBuildID 20240108143603 -greomni /usr/lib64/firefox/omni.ja -appomni /usr/li
 0.3  0.0 /usr/bin/dockerd --add-runtime oci=/usr/sbin/docker-runc
 0.3  0.0 /usr/lib64/tumbler-1/tumblerd
 0.3  0.4 /usr/lib64/firefox/firefox -contentproc -childID 5 -isForBrowser -prefsLen 31409 -prefMapSize 241870 -jsInitLen 229864 -parentBuildID 20240108143603 -greomni /usr/lib64/firefox/omni.ja -appomni /usr/li
 0.3  0.0 /usr/lib64/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin -contentproc -childID 1 -isForBrowser -prefsLen 29911 -prefMapSize 264929 -jsInitLen 240916 -parentBuildID 20240119095007 -appDir /usr/lib64/thunderbird {ad7563ea
 0.2  1.2 xfwm4
 0.2  0.0 /usr/lib64/firefox/firefox -contentproc -childID 8 -isForBrowser -prefsLen 31466 -prefMapSize 241870 -jsInitLen 229864 -parentBuildID 20240108143603 -greomni /usr/lib64/firefox/omni.ja -appomni /usr/li
 0.2  0.0 /usr/lib64/firefox/firefox -contentproc -childID 7 -isForBrowser -prefsLen 31466 -prefMapSize 241870 -jsInitLen 229864 -parentBuildID 20240108143603 -greomni /usr/lib64/firefox/omni.ja -appomni /usr/li
 0.2  0.0 /usr/lib64/firefox/firefox -contentproc -childID 9 -isForBrowser -prefsLen 31466 -prefMapSize 241870 -jsInitLen 229864 -parentBuildID 20240108143603 -greomni /usr/lib64/firefox/omni.ja -appomni /usr/li
 0.2  0.1 containerd --config /var/run/docker/containerd/containerd.toml --log-level warn
 0.2  1.8 /usr/bin/Xorg.bin :0 -seat seat0 -auth /run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswitch
 0.1  0.1 xfdesktop
 0.1  0.1 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/blueman-applet
 0.1  1.6 /usr/bin/xfce4-terminal

and without Firefox & Thunderbird runing:

> ps -eo %mem,%cpu,args --sort -%mem
%MEM %CPU COMMAND
 0.3  0.0 /usr/bin/dockerd --add-runtime oci=/usr/sbin/docker-runc
 0.2  0.8 xfwm4
 0.2  1.1 /usr/bin/Xorg.bin :0 -seat seat0 -auth /run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswitch
 0.2  0.1 containerd --config /var/run/docker/containerd/containerd.toml --log-level warn
 0.1  0.0 xfdesktop
 0.1  0.3 /usr/bin/xfce4-terminal

[Keyran17]

mauro@localhost:~> sudo inxi -bm
System:
  Host: localhost.localdomain Kernel: 6.7.1-1-default arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Console: pty pts/2
    Distro: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20240124
Machine:
  Type: Virtualbox System: innotek GmbH product: VirtualBox v: 1.2 serial: N/A
  Mobo: Oracle model: VirtualBox v: 1.2 serial: N/A UEFI: innotek GmbH v: VirtualBox
    date: 12/01/2006
Memory:
  System RAM: total: 7.98 GiB available: 7.74 GiB used: 1.48 GiB (19.1%)
  RAM Report: message: No RAM data found.
CPU:
  Info: quad core 12th Gen Intel Core i5-1240P [MCP] speed (MHz): avg: 2112
Graphics:
  Device-1: VMware SVGA II Adapter driver: vmwgfx v: 2.20.0.0
  Display: server: X.org v: 1.21.1.11 with: Xwayland v: 23.2.4 driver: X: loaded: vmware
    unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa gpu: vmwgfx tty: 110x28
  API: OpenGL v: 4.5 vendor: mesa v: 23.3.3 note: console (EGL sourced) renderer: llvmpipe
    (LLVM 17.0.6 128 bits)
Network:
  Device-1: Intel 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet driver: e1000
  Device-2: Intel 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI type: network bridge driver: piix4_smbus
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 72.12 GiB used: 95.24 GiB (132.1%)
Info:
  Processes: 222 Uptime: 0h 3m Init: systemd Shell: Sudo inxi: 3.3.31
mauro@localhost:~> 

KDE desktop without installing PIM-KDE has around 1GB of RAM occupied when idle 3 min. after the boot
Instead, I rechecked the laptop, where TW works in hardware as the only OS and now, again after 3 minutes, it is at 1.28Gb

[conram]

@Lyle_JP

I noticed a jump in RAM used at idle with XFCE since the 6.7.1 kernel update. Since the 5.15.x series up to 6.6.11, my system was always at around 700-800 MB memory usage at idle.

But since the 6.7.1 kernel update, the usage has shot up to 1.2-1.3 GB at idle. Now, with 32 GB of system RAM available, I have noticed no performance difference at all. So, this isn’t a complaint post. But the memory usage numbers still jumped out at me.

Yep same here on 6.7.1