Hey, the devs need to know how much trouble they are creating

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#21

On 2012-10-12 20:36, flymail wrote:
> Of course on the plus side, the benefits are fantastic and your
> determination and persistence will pay off. Linux isn’t free. You pay
> with time instead of money. In my opinion this makes Linux more
> expensive than other operating systems, but it’s more than worth the
> investment especially with openSUSE.

It also goes the other way round: it needs time to keep Windows, perhaps even more than Linux. At
least for me. :slight_smile:

Or said otherwise: you need less time the better you know a system.

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Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” (Minas Tirith))

#22

I joined the World of Linux with SUSE 9.3 and STRUGGLED despite (or maybe because of) a background in Windows and departmental servers. It took me a long time to find out where things are in Linux and how to use them but being retired by then, it was time well spent.

So a few years of experience boil down to this (IMHO):

  1. The best option for newbies is a desktop computer with a spare hard disk on which you can try things out.

  2. Avoid trying Windows/Linux dual boot on laptops like the plague until you know what you are doing.

  3. Get to know how to use something like Parted Magic.

  4. Finally, backup, backup and backup again.

The devs do an immense job – where would we be without them?

#23

If you were a dev, you would know that the feedback you’re getting is only on the “trouble you’re creating”.

#24

This discussion has only really achieved one thing,

  • openSUSE needs to be easier to install.

If you were a dev, you would know that the feedback you’re getting is only on the “trouble you’re creating”

I don’t really understand how the developers are creating trouble with the operating system. I know I’m new and I haven’t really got much to say but how are developers creating trouble? Because their introducing new things and changing stuff? Without change there is no future so the developers have to do it, not only to keep up to date but to experiment with new ideas. The issues I had with installing is something which needs to be addressed, however the developers aren’t purposely creating trouble, they are using new technology’s, and implementing new ideas.

Personally I would cut the developers some slack, without them there would be no openSUSE. Yes there are some issues but there’s issues with every OS release.

#25

You might be right for Microsoft :), but I think being somewhat unkind to the openSUSE community if you’re suggesting that the only feedback they give the developers is negative.

If actually really achieved that then that would be fantastic, which makes me wonder why you use the word `only’ :).

#26

If actually really achieved that then that would be fantastic

How do we actually go off and suggest to the openSUSE developers that it needs to be easier to install?

which makes me wonder why you use the word `only’ :).

I use the word only because for some reason I expected more out of this discussion. Don’t ask me why! lol.

#27

Hi
The place is openFATE;
https://features.opensuse.org/

Easier to install for whom… :wink: Pretty straight forward on this
machine now, it’s single boot to openSUSE.

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#28

Thank you for showing me, I’m not going to suggest it because I resolved the issue, and I don’t yet feel confident in asking/suggesting new features due to my general in-experience with Linux & openSUSE.

Thanks again,

  • Tom Chinery
#29

I first installed linux (slackware) in 1995.

I can assure you that opensuse is easy to install.

I have also installed:

  • Windows 95;
  • Windows 98;
  • Windows NT Workstation 4.1;
  • Windows XP;
  • Vista;
  • OS/2;
  • Solaris.

I’ll repeat - opensuse is easy to install.

#30

Wow, Windows 95 was my first experience with a computer. I think my first PC was running it when I was just 5 years old. (yes I was born in 1995… ).

openSUSE was relatively easy to install considering I knew nothing about Linux or openSUSE when I done it. Thinking back, Windows XP & Vista was harder to install… D:

I’m just saying the installation process could of been easier, and documentation easier to find. :slight_smile:

#31

On 10/14/2012 11:36 AM, TomChinery wrote:
> I was born in 1995…

i left Windows 3.1 and moved to OS/2 in 1995

> Thinking back, Windows XP & Vista was harder to install… D:

ah, but did you actually every install either on a computer without
Windows already install by the original equipment manufacturer? if not,
you only upgraded from one Windows to another using all the current
hardware knowns readily available–and partitions already set and
waiting…which should be a piece of cake compared to all the things
that have to be done to move Windows around to make space for LInux,
partition, discover hardware etc etc etc etc…

> I’m just saying the installation process could of been easier,

i agree it could be, and today’s install is amazingly easier than it was
in '97 or even 2007…

it gets easier usually…so, it will be easier in the future, i’m sure…

> and documentation easier to find. :slight_smile:

hmmmmm…go to the download page
http://software.opensuse.org/ and look just above and to the
right of that big “Download” button, and click on “openSUSE startup
guide” or look farther to the right and see the box in the right margin
headed by “Getting Help” and click on your choice of

-Download Help
-Burn CD/DVD Image(s)
-Installation Guides
-Official Manuals

and explain how to make the documentation easier to find!

and, then…hmmmmm…i think the first time it boots doesn’t it show you
something that looks kind’a like this
http://www.opensuse.org/en/, where the huge, green “Discover
it” button leads to Learn more about openSUSE with tutorials,
documentation, and more!

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dd

#32

On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:36:01 +0000, TomChinery wrote:

>> If actually really achieved that then that would be fantastic
>
> How do we actually go off and suggest to the openSUSE developers that it
> needs to be easier to install?

One word: specifics.

Developers deal in a world of specifics. “Make it easier” will get
ignored. Suggestions that actually make it easier are more likely to be
listened to and implemented.

Jim

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openSUSE Forums Administrator
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#33

I quite agree :).

#34

On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:56:01 +0000, flymail wrote:

> hendersj;2496030 Wrote:
>>
>> One word: specifics.
>>
>> Developers deal in a world of specifics. “Make it easier” will get
>> ignored. Suggestions that actually make it easier are more likely to
>> be listened to and implemented.
>>
>>
> I quite agree :).

And a second bit of advice: openFATE is where enhancement requests
should be made. :slight_smile:

Jim

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Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C

#35

Thanks Jim!

The information available at openFATE is very interesting and I wish I’d seen it sooner - but I’m not sure how up to date it is ( (e.g. https://features.opensuse.org/308497 ),