What font is necessary to read the Greek in the new forum layout? I went to YaST and downloaded the Greek fonts available there but the headings are still not readable.
O do not understand this either. When I choose Greek in the language chooser (lower/right) it is readable. This means that fonts are available. But then the French and Spanish parts are lousy.
There is still something rotten in the product. Earlier we complained that the product said in its HTTP protocol that the characters encodings were one of the ISO-8859 series (dependant of the langiage chosen) where in fact they were UTF-8 encoded Unicode (in most cases, we did not prove that for every single page, etc).
Now it tells the browser that the home page of these Forums is UTF-8, but it still sends characters from some ISO-8859 sets (and it changes sets when another language is chosen) that can not be interpreted correct as UTF-8.
BUT, the page where I am typing this has Charset=ISO-8859-1. Thus the Forums is inconsistent!
. The forums software should use only Unicode encoded with UTF-8 and tell this correct in it’s HTTP protocol.
. The forums should NOT change to another encoding when another language is chosen (this is of course automatic the case when the above rule is followed). Changing the language should only influence the language in headers, menu’s, etc. And when the Unicode characters are used for tthese language, all will be perfect.
It is a pity that in a world where open software (like openSUSE) uses Unicode and the UTF-8 encoding of it throughout, our Forums still is a mess in this subject.
Sorry for this rude responce but everyone who does not know Greek, can not read Greek. So headings are not readable.
and download greek fonts what you need these fonts if you don’ t know GREEK Language
read this Άσπρη πέτρα ξέξασπρη και από τον ήλιο ξεξασπρότερη
@stamostolias. Did you realy try to read the Greek parts of the home page (or even your post on tthis page) with the language selector on another then Greek (Elliniko)?
I hope the other Greek members of these Forums think it is worthwhile to repair their language part (another Grreek speaking person did complain shortly after the Greel Forums went onine thus not everybody is f your opinion).
Because this is what I see: http://www.xs4all.nl/~hcvv/Greek.jpeg
All people have not the same opinions. But all members including me of Greek subforum do their best to repair our language part.
I hope the other Greek members of these Forums think it is worthwhile to repair their language part (another Grreek speaking person did complain shortly after the Greel Forums went onine thus not everybody is f your opinion).
Who is that man who complain about Greek language???
Because this is what I see:
Anyone who wants to read or write GREEK the only thing must do is to change the settings on his personal opensuse site and set the main language into greek;)
That is a problem.
The whole thread is about the fact that that is nonsense. Setting the forums to Greek should only change the headings, menus and all the explaining texts in the forums. There is no need whatsoever to change the coding of characters. All characters have their own code in Unicode.
I can see the Russian, Japanese, and all the diacriticals that are used in French, Spanish and Hungarian correct. Only the Greek texts are a mess. And believe me, I may be not as good in Greek as you, but I can discern a Greek text from the characters I showed you.
It seems that I have to repeat my question: did you look at the home page of the forum and at your own post above with the language selector on another then Greek? As long as you did not, please refrain from posting further in this thread because that is the reason for this thread.
Wasn’t intending to create a storm! When I go onto the Greek Ambassadors site, all the Greek characters appear as they should in my browser and I have no trouble reading the Greek. I was wondering whether I had missed something that I needed to do to be able to read the Greek characters on the forum.
Well John, it was one of the first things I saw looking at the new home page. Of course the new home page is about lay-out and not about fixing bugs and thus I did not become sarcastic asking: and what about our Greek brethren?
But you started it and that was a signal for me that I am not the only one. I think it is not very nice to Greek people that when they come to our forum’s home page for the first time, they see Russian, Japanese and all others, but Greek …
All sorts of scripts in one line: Français, Español, Ελληνικό, Русский, हिन्दी, اردو, you want more?
Now look at them choosing several “Language” possibilities from the most lower right button of this page.
I am going to this after I post this one.
To begin with, I should explain to the general reader that some of the characters might be represented on your system might be represented by a hollow square. That means that you have no font available for that particular character. It will make theunderstanding of this a bit more complicated, but be assured that when you have fonts for the Cyrillic, Greek, Hindi and Arabic alphabets the abobe is displayed correct.
That is:
It is correct in most languages that can be chosen, except when I choose Greek then the c-cedille in the French text and the n-tilde in the Spanish text show an white ? in a black square on it’s point (meaning that a byte is found that can not be interpreted in the parsing of UTF-8 because the value it has can not occur at tha point in the encoding).
Mark that the Greek text is shown correct in all of them, contrary to the Greek text of the forums software.
Mark that there is another problem with some diacriticals when Greek is chosen.
My conclusion (not differing from that above or from earlier threads on this subject):
. Greek characters are stored in the forum software (and as stamostolias has proven above, also in post text entered when Greek language is on, but not when I enter Greek text when Dutch language is on) not in Unicode/UTF-8.
My technical assessment may not be completely correct, but my general conclusion is:
Greek people that are allready using the Greek part of the forums and have the Greek language chosen do NOT see any problems.
Greek people that are first time comers to this forum’s home page see the paragraph: Ελληνικό (Greek), but the rest of that paragraph is bogus, which most probably will shy them away.
did you look at the home page of the forum and at your own post above with the language selector on another then Greek? As long as you did not, please refrain from posting further in this thread because that is the reason for this thread.
It seems you are right. I talk with our forum monderator and we try to fix this problem.
Sorry for wrong responce.
Always friendly.
I take your appologies. But next time please first read posts and try to undestand what people are looking at and do the same before you start discussing about it.
Now this thread has become a messy discussion where the real problem is swamped. And that will not be be in the iinterest of solving the real problem. And that again is not in the inetrest of the Greek using community here. Sadly enough.
When we will fix this problem, I will send you a message.
This is a filename in my system:
henk@boven:~> l Français,\ Español,\ Ελληνικό,\ Русский,\ हिनदी,\ اردو,
-rw-r–r-- 1 henk wij 0 jan 13 19:33 Français, Español, Ελληνικό, Русский, हिनदी, اردو,
henk@boven:~>
I did not type the l command completely myself, but started with l Fra and then hit the ESC key. Et voila. This must be enoough to fit your needs.
Another thing is you using a non-Linux filesystem. That could give problems because non-Linux filesystems tend to have restrictions that can not, or only partly, be solved by the Linux software that interfaces to them. But maybe the filenames you use their do give no problems.