Gooo & libreoffice quality

This is a little rant about the openoffice and libreoffice applications shipped with opensuse.

The interoperability with MS Office is awful and the level of testing appears to be almost nonexistent. The version of openoffice shipped with 11.2 broke impress and resulted in impress failing to run very common .pps files. This problem did not appear in openoffice downloaded from openoffice.org. This version of openoffice was eventually replaced by libreoffice (reason security) which fixed the impress problem but broke base. The base bug did not appear in the version downloaded from the libreoffice site but I believe that the bug found its way into the libreoffice 3.4 code. This has affected 11.2 & 11.3. This appears to be the result of working code being modified with what appears to be minimal, if any testing.

I have just received a very simple MS word document (.doc) and libreoffice on 11.3 failed to properly format the document. The paragraphs had a font list associated with them. The first did not exist on the system, the second did. Libreoffice selected some random font and destroyed the formatting. Openoffice from openoffice.org, running on windows again could not find the first font in the list but found and used the second font and formatted the document correctly

I have no confidence in the versions of oo/lo shipped with opensuse. There is a major problem with the quality of the oo/lo product shipped by opensuse. There also seems to be a major problem with opensuse not caring about the quality of its packaged software and the users of opensuse. I get the impression that politics and open source correctness overrides everything else.

I have used suse/opensuse as my main system for around 12 years. I have moved thousands of documents between word and openoffice. With the recent problems I no longer feel that libreoffice is viable. I have not started and will not start to recommend libreoffice and have stopped recommending openoffice. I have little option but to move to MS Office and MS Office is not a native linux application.

I believe that the quality of major components of opensuse is getting worse. Even in 11.3 kde4 can’t manage to correctly redraw invalidated areas of windows and there are the oo/lo problems. While opensuse does a lot more than it used to, it does some things badly. I can run most of the open source software that I use (apache, php, etc.) on Windows with less problems than on opensuse and have a working office system. Even openoffice on windows works better than oo/lo on opensuse

On 10/10/2011 3:36 PM, vindevienne wrote:
>
> This is a little rant about the openoffice and libreoffice applications
> shipped with opensuse.
>
> The interoperability with MS Office is awful and the level of testing
> appears to be almost nonexistent. The version of openoffice shipped with
> 11.2 broke impress and resulted in impress failing to run very common
> .pps files. This problem did not appear in openoffice downloaded from
> openoffice.org. This version of openoffice was eventually replaced by
> libreoffice (reason security) which fixed the impress problem but broke
> base. The base bug did not appear in the version downloaded from the
> libreoffice site but I believe that the bug found its way into the
> libreoffice 3.4 code. This has affected 11.2& 11.3. This appears to be
> the result of working code being modified with what appears to be
> minimal, if any testing.
>
> I have just received a very simple MS word document (.doc) and
> libreoffice on 11.3 failed to properly format the document. The
> paragraphs had a font list associated with them. The first did not exist
> on the system, the second did. Libreoffice selected some random font and
> destroyed the formatting. Openoffice from openoffice.org, running on
> windows again could not find the first font in the list but found and
> used the second font and formatted the document correctly
>
> I have no confidence in the versions of oo/lo shipped with opensuse.
> There is a major problem with the quality of the oo/lo product shipped
> by opensuse. There also seems to be a major problem with opensuse not
> caring about the quality of its packaged software and the users of
> opensuse. I get the impression that politics and open source correctness
> overrides everything else.
>
> I have used suse/opensuse as my main system for around 12 years. I have
> moved thousands of documents between word and openoffice. With the
> recent problems I no longer feel that libreoffice is viable. I have not
> started and will not start to recommend libreoffice and have stopped
> recommending openoffice. I have little option but to move to MS Office
> and MS Office is not a native linux application.
>
> I believe that the quality of major components of opensuse is getting
> worse. Even in 11.3 kde4 can’t manage to correctly redraw invalidated
> areas of windows and there are the oo/lo problems. While opensuse does a
> lot more than it used to, it does some things badly. I can run most of
> the open source software that I use (apache, php, etc.) on Windows with
> less problems than on opensuse and have a working office system. Even
> openoffice on windows works better than oo/lo on opensuse
>
>

There is also the option of Softmaker Office (payware) that offers Linuy
versions and claims to be compatible with Windows Office.
I don’t exchange documents between two systems so i can comment on that.
But my guess is, that people will say that you should submit a bug
report so that the problem can get solved.
I do have Libre Office on my Windows and it works quite well. Same
applies in openSUSE. But my use is very limited so far.


Euer Komputerfriek Joerg
using LXDE on 11.4 x64 and happy with a cup of real hot coffee…
Need help? Call 207.252.3.96 (really)

On 10/11/2011 12:36 AM, vindevienne wrote:
> I can run most of
> the open source software that I use (apache, php, etc.) on Windows with
> less problems than on opensuse and have a working office system. Even
> openoffice on windows works better than oo/lo on opensuse

so, use what works for you! and be happy that Microsoft has not yet
decided to block the running of open source software on their system
(even though it cuts deeply into their very profitable sales of
MS-Office)…

personally, i don’t need to niggle the frailties of LibreOffice because
mostly my needs are different from yours and i can both avoid the
Microsoft output, and couldn’t care less that the MS refuses to fully
support any published document standards…[the EU, however has been on
them about that]

if you must, then (as said) use what works (and pay their price while
smiling)…for me, i like LO just fine.


DD
openSUSE®, the “German Automobiles” of operating systems

I have routinely used Go-OO and LibreOffice to exchange MS Office documents for several years and have not encountered such problems. Rather the opposite - for example, when a Word document containing contributions from Germany and Israel failed to open in a UK version of Word but opened in Go-OO.

There have been a couple of instances where effects in docx documents did not display and one where the author had used the custom XML which MS had to remove after the Texas patent suit - but that is MS’ fault, not LibreOffice’s, for implementing docx inconsistently.

About the same experiences. I see minor differences, but I see these between different MS Office versions as well. The one thing that I was missing, the password functionality incl. read-only option, is in LO 3.4.

On 10/10/2011 11:14 PM, DenverD wrote:
> On 10/11/2011 12:36 AM, vindevienne wrote:
>> I can run most of
>> the open source software that I use (apache, php, etc.) on Windows with
>> less problems than on opensuse and have a working office system. Even
>> openoffice on windows works better than oo/lo on opensuse
>
> so, use what works for you! and be happy that Microsoft has not yet
> decided to block the running of open source software on their system
> (even though it cuts deeply into their very profitable sales of
> MS-Office)…
>
> personally, i don’t need to niggle the frailties of LibreOffice because
> mostly my needs are different from yours and i can both avoid the
> Microsoft output, and couldn’t care less that the MS refuses to fully
> support any published document standards…[the EU, however has been on
> them about that]
>
> if you must, then (as said) use what works (and pay their price while
> smiling)…for me, i like LO just fine.
>

We should mention in all fairness that MS doesn’t follow any standards
at all. So i can see why there are some problems with exchange. Its not
like that MS opens the source. Heck, i heart that MS products themself
are not compatible either. Like if you were formating a document for
2003 its messed up in 2010 version. So i heard.

So one can not blame everything on opensource not working. It needs both
to get it working.


Euer Komputerfriek Joerg
using LXDE on 11.4 x64 and happy with a cup of real hot coffee…
Need help? Call 207.252.3.96 (really)

I have to somewhat agree with you. I’ve had much more problems lately with libreoffice than I have had in the past.

Have you considered using IBM Lotus Symphony? I think there may still be a Linux edition. I used it a long time ago and found the compatibility with MS office to be better. (Although I think it uses the same core as OpenOffice, so who knows…it might be just as bad.)

I’ve been pleased with LibreOffice 3.4(.4)'s compatibility so far, though it still doesn’t quite cut it (but does cut it better than before).

If you absolutely have to have compatibility then look at the Live SkyDrive online Office offering. While you don’t have all of the tools for making an Office file, it is pretty fullly compatible displaying and running Office documents. I don’t know if their pay-for offering Live365 is any better than the free version.

Oh, and Office Live works much, much better in Chrome/Chromium or Firefox than it does in IE.:sarcastic: Go figure.