I’ve been a happy user of opensuse 11.4/gnome 2 for years. I’ve upgraded to opensuse 12.2/gnome (using dvd clean install) 3 three times and disliked it so much that I’ve gone back to 11.4 each time. With gnome 3, I’ve spent hours trying to resize icons and set windows so desktop doesn’t look like my 7 year old great-granddaughter’s desktop. I can’t under stand why there are windows selections that you can’t see (unlike desktop selections in 11.4 that you can see on the taskbar). I installed an additional taskbar process in gnome 3 because minimizing processes made them disappear. I do programming where I might have 5 processes open at one time and cut and paste between them. They all keep disappearing upon minimization until you restart the window again. This whole desktop logic is unusable to me. I suppose opensuse 12.2 os might be an improvement but the gnome 3 desktop is so gross that it hides any improvements in the OS.
The final straw with 12.2/gnome3 was that major processes keep crashing with segmentation errors. I think this could be traced to the OS and not the desktop. You can’t delete packages with Software Manager more than once or it crashes. You can’t edit an xml file in conglomerate as root or every time you enter a keystroke it crashes.
So many other continual annoyances that I couldn’t stand it anymore. I think that even as gnome 3 gets better and these bugs get fixed ( I did report the Software Manager segmentation fault one and added to others complaints) it is going off in an obtuse direction that will never make it usable for me.
I’ve reloaded opensuse 11.4/gnome 2 and remain a happy customer. I do wish the opensuse home sight would keep opensuse 11.4 dvd download files available. I had to get a reload iso disk off of a torrent sight when my system dvd didn’t pass media check anymore but not a real problem. I wish opensuse was trying to kill any past information on 11.4 and push everyone to 12.2/gnome 3.
Perhaps there will be a version of opensuse 12.2/gnome 2 that’ll be available in the future. I’d move to that. Until that, may Evergreen live forever.
Good luck to gnome 3 users, I wish them well. If they want to get some work done, go back to 11.4/gnome2
On 2013-03-10 15:26, tckosvic wrote:
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> I’ve been a happy user of opensuse 11.4/gnome 2 for years. I’ve
> upgraded to opensuse 12.2/gnome (using dvd clean install) 3 three times
> and disliked it so much that I’ve gone back to 11.4 each time.
I don’t quite like 12.2 for different reasons, but if I had to use it I
would run XFCE, not gnome. I can not stand gnome3.
xfce is similar to what gnome2 was, so you can feel almost at home. Some
things are different. Xfce uses gtk and it does run some gnome tools.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4, with Evergreen, x86_64 “Celadon” (Minas Tirith))
and it is supported until July 2014, so there are zero openSUSE
folks “pushing” you off 11.4…or on to gnome3
and, if/when you get ready to move up you might want to look at
either “trinity” (gnome2 lives on) or LXDE or XFCE (i’ve heard LOTS
of folks who don’t like the new gnome…and lots who do…
GNOME 3.4 is a bit crashy, I agree. These are actually mostly GNOME bugs though, not openSUSE bugs, and fortunately the next release is significantly more stable. (However, the software installer bugs are squarely openSUSE’s fault.)
If you like taskbars then GNOME is probably not the desktop environment for you, at least not right now. In openSUSE 13.1, GNOME will have a “classic mode” with taskbar etc. by default, but for 12.2 and 12.3 you will have to use extensions. At any rate I personally don’t think a taskbar fits very well into GNOME at all - minimizing windows, while possible, just does NOT mesh will with the infinite desktops paradigm, which I personally think works way better (hence I find myself unable to use anything other than GNOME 3 for long). Since you disagree, you should probably look into one of the very many alternative desktop environments. On Linux you have tons of choices, no need to stick with GNOME.
Are MATE and Cinnamon officially supported on openSUSE? I don’t really think we should be recommending anything that requires additional repositories… rather I’d recommend you try out both Xfce and KDE. (Might want to wait a couple of days – openSUSE 12.3 is just around the corner, with a BIG KDE upgrade!) I’d recommend Linux Mint over openSUSE if you want a traditional MATE (extremely similar to GNOME 2) or Cinnamon (highly recommended - modern yet traditional) desktop.
Thanks all for your comments to “Goodbye to Gnome 3/opensuse 12.2” but I have invested the time of 3 upgrades at different time intervals and will stick to opensuse 11.4/gnome 2 for a while using the evergreen service. If I see any applications for 12.2 that look interesting, I can reset my search repositories to 12.2 and pick up those applications for a test: kind of my own evergreen.
With respect to “dvhenry” comments, I do think my comments are a “help” not a “whine”. I’d like to see people avoid endless tailoring of things for an OS/desktop combination that cannot reliably run applications. A desktop is a tool not a pretty picture as some other seem obsessed with.
Best path for me is to wait for opensuse 13.1, which seems from one commenter, a prospect for a good path forward.
I think the opensuse group is really hurting themselves by sticking with gnome 3. I hope the OS can survive this.
With respect to “dvhenry” comments, I do think my comments are a “help” not a “whine”. I’d like to see people avoid endless tailoring of things for an OS/desktop combination that cannot reliably run applications. A desktop is a tool not a pretty picture as some other seem obsessed with.
I use 12.2 KDE, and for me it works well.
I still see your first post here as being a wine about Gnome3 and openSUSE 12.2. rather than a request for help with a specific issue or issues.
Yes, still using an Evergreen 11.4 Gnome 2 partition for some old apps not needed daily. It’s up to date with essential patches, stable, reliable, and speedy, and keeps any 32 bit packages away from 12.2 KDE.
At any rate I personally don’t think a taskbar fits very well into GNOME at all - minimizing windows, while possible, just does NOT mesh will with the infinite desktops paradigm
That’s a good point made re Gnome 3. I’m still playing with Gnome 3 on 12.2 occasionally, looking for the “beef”, but so far only found traces of horse.
On 03/11/2013 03:16 PM, tckosvic wrote:
> If I see any applications for 12.2 that look interesting, I
> can reset my search repositories to 12.2 and pick up those applications
> for a test: kind of my own evergreen.
careful! doing such could bring in new libraries/dependencies and
whatever that might conflict and maybe kill your system…i’d say
the safer method would be to try and compile the applications source
against those libs/etc in 11.4…of course that could fail also,
but the failure would only be in failing to compile without errors,
and not a complete system death.
so, if you want a stable system AND 12.2 applications the safest way
would be to have two systems…as said, have a look at xfce or
other…might as well because gonome2 is . . .
We went through this with the move from KDE3 to KDE4 , I expect gnome2 to gnome3 may take a similar time to mature, as the developers come to grips with what the users actually want (not what the dev’s think they want).
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:16:02 +0000, tckosvic wrote:
> I think the opensuse group is really hurting themselves by sticking with
> gnome 3. I hope the OS can survive this.
I have to disagree. It’s a good thing there’s choice - some people like
KDE, some people like GNOME, some like TWM, LXDE, or the other options
available. I use GNOME3 daily and it works very well for my needs.
No need to wait. There is a fallback mode that mimics GNOME 2.x in openSUSE 12.2/GNOME 3.4.X as well as openSUSE 12.3/GNOME 3.6.X. Only drawback is that you should keep pressing the “alt” key when right click on panel to add the applets
On 2013-03-11 16:46, vazhavandan wrote:
> No need to wait. There is a fallback mode that mimics GNOME 2.x in
> openSUSE 12.2/GNOME 3.4.X as well as openSUSE 12.3/GNOME 3.6.X. Only
> drawback is that you should keep pressing the “alt” key when right click
> on panel to add the applets
It has several drawbacks.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4, with Evergreen, x86_64 “Celadon” (Minas Tirith))
