I know openSUSE is a KDE centric distro, but I like the Gnome in it and don’t use KDE. I hope they don’t phase out Gnome as time goes on. Do you think this likely?
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 20:06:02 +0000, chrispche wrote:
> I know openSUSE is a KDE centric distro, but I like the Gnome in it and
> don’t use KDE. I hope they don’t phase out Gnome as time goes on. Do you
> think this likely?
Nope. GNOME 3.0 preview is available and it’s unlikely to be phased
out. That’s one of the strengths of openSUSE is that it preserves choice
in the desktop. In fact, you can choose from GNOME, KDE, LXDE, and Xfce
(at a minimum) just from the installer.
Jim
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Gnome is just another philosophy and as such will exist as all other desktops do.
Btw. Gnome 3.0 just got bummed to Spring 2011.
Thats good news to hear, I can’t abide KDE.
Don’t say that. Once i was a loving Gnome user till i seen KDE. Its maybe not really simplistic, but everything works really well, plus a lot of good programs on that rail.
But Gnome Shell is a nice and innovative approach. Its not ready yet, but once it is it will be a nice addition to the desktop.
I wonder if Gnome will take a hit some, with the planned distancing (some) from Novell which, I suspect, is a significant force in the Gnome maintenance (due to SLED and Mono).
I don’t really like openSUSE’s Gnome setup, but Gnome-shell is not stable yet on my systems so I’m back to regular Gnome for now.
I think openSUSE will keep Gnome for a while at least.
Don’t think so either. Gnome is pretty popular due to Ubuntu’s popularity. + OpenSuse is known for offering different options of desktops.
Gnome will not be phased out. Hands down it is the most used DE on Linux because of Ubuntu and I don’t see that changing in the future since most distros default to it. OpenSUSE is an exception to the rule here. If anything I think there is more of a chance of KDE being phased out once Gnome 3.0 is released and this will probably happen around 3.2 or 3.4 that we will not see a lot of users and support for KDE, as much as I hate to say.
KDE brought a lot to the table, but I do think the GNOME will become innovative on their own and they are showing some pretty good ideas with 3.0 and in their new applications. A couple months ago I would have thought this non-sense, but a vast number of GTK apps are just better than their QT equivalents in many areas despite QT being the better of the two from a technical standpoint perhaps barring Mono and GTKmm bindings.
This whole drama is moving very fast and it’s hard to if there will come a common environment from this or not. I say it is very likely one will “win” but it is too early to tell. KDE 4.5 could change all of that.
… I have a dream… I’m dreaming with a KDE-GNOME fusion… yes, like goku!!! 
I mean, I think one of the most important problems for linux desktop (NOT THE SERVER) is there is a lot of flavors and options for the end user. They have to choice the linux box, and then KDE or GNOME and always is the same question: “What is better?”.
No one is better, it is just matter of choice, but it is like; if it is matter of choice, then the end user choices windows!!!
You have users which the most of them uses windows, and some of them mac os, and they know how to use, I really hate to say… IE and Office. An yes, the hates all that ugly things comming with windows, you know what I mean.
Well we have this thing called linux, and the end users ears it is lot better than windows, but in the linux desktop you have a lot to decide and learn different ways for doing things, then? Many of this end users reject linux because “I done this or that in windows in this way, how can I do in linux?”, “What is KDE or GNOME? Is it matter?, because, is it linux right?”, “I don’t understand, just tell me where my control panel is and which icon should I open”, “it is too complicated, please, is not an easy way?”, “why my messenger is so ugly”, “Really? I can’t use excel?” >:(
Really, don’t misunderstood my words, I’m ten years linux user and really love it all, but always is the same with a newbies, and just stop and think twice… they all are right.
I just think if all we have just a consolidated fat desktop (fat, because there is the lightweight desktops like xfce and lxde) would be easier for transition for the windows end user, and all the evil in the world just would end… rotfl!
It would be great to use a new resustu box (fusion btw rh, osuse and ubuntu) in the KDOME Desktop, then all the another distros and desktops can be usable on certain specific needs.
It is just a dream, I know that because linux is freedom, and both KDE and GNOME fans have the right to continue alone, and it is cool too in other hand, I really like both.
Use GNOME or KDE, both are fantastic.
And don’t worry about GNOME, it is just a 11 years old teenager, he doesn’t smoke, doesn’t drink, is a good boy, then a lot of life rests for GNOME. rotfl!
Regards.
I don’t see KDE being phased out by Gnome 3.0, and I am doubtful that Gnome will be phased out either.
When KDE 4 came out it drew a lot of attention, and I think it increased the number of people using it, if even just to find out what all the fuss is about. Chances are Gnome 3.0 will do something similar.
Each approaches the “user experience” differently and some people will prefer or be drawn to one over the other. The great thing is that there is a choice.
I also think that the Gnome implementation, while pretty good, could use some improvements!
Really? I really would be interested to hear the names of the top 5 (or more) GTK apps say of your “better than their QT equivalents”. I use KDE mainly but also Gnome, so my question is genuine. Hopefully a flame war should not start if you chose to answer.
dragonbite wrote:
Each approaches the “user experience” differently and some people will prefer or be drawn to one over the other. The great thing is that there is a choice.
A choice can be good. But the best of both worlds is even better. There should be some standard that says that any non-KDE-specific Apps developed for KDE has to run in Gnome and vice-versa. All this fragmentation of Linux (it’s all Linux, right?)… is not strengthening its presentation. Instead, it (fragments and) weakens it, IMHO, especially for the new(er) user(s).
Hello consused,
The word flame just draws me like a moth … ummmm … a new alias maybe …
GTK Apps:
Free/Sorta-free
Evolution
Inkscape
GIMP (The DADDY of 'em all)
Abiword
Gnumeric
Pan
Pidgin
Rhythmbox
Banshee
Azureus/Vuze ( yes … I know java … but java with gtk bindings (not qt) … take a look at the source)
ChmSee
gFtp
grsync
gnome-terminal ( … ) … you said better than thier qt equivalent …
subcommander
rabbitvcs
… and more …
Commericial
VMWare (don’t think it has qt bindings)
But qt is doing great … no better equivalent to keepassx … ooops … I fogot figaro’s pm 2 … never mind!
Hello all,
Now that I’ve had a little fun and set some bait … back to an interesting thread.
I REALLY think gnome 3 is over-hyped. I recently read an article about gnome-shell that likened it to a highly abstracted cloud-appeal frontend as found in Jolicloud(best of bunch) and other netbook spins. The author felt it would evolve into a nice netbook front-end, but be largely ignored by most gnome users. I was intrigued! I took it for a spin. I agree with the author of the article. I don’t think it will be widely used. It might become useful for small screen-estate use cases and liked by the “I don’t know what you mean by directory” crowd … but it’s just a shell.
Any thing else planned for gnome3 other than cruft collection and removal ???
Cyniscm aside … I think gnome is great … it gets a little better/cooler/more-memory-efficient/faster/smarter/slicker each release. It does NOT get prettier! Luckily for me … all that gtk1 originated theme stuff works pretty good … so with the help of inkscape, some nice folk at gnome-look.org, the artist behind blurburger.com, a little compiz regex matching freeky goodness, and those wacky French cairo-dock dudes … I have an AWESOME desktop!
I have been tempted to try KDE, because folks keep calling it modern and pretty … have not even seen a screen cap for many years due to complete lack of interest.
Perhaps we should settle this flame in waiting with a desktop beauty contest … any takers ???
The version in which Opensuse drops Gnome will be the followup version to the last Opensuse version I will ever own.
Just a curious question, and not meant to hijack the thread, is would you go for a Gnome from openSUSE that is Mono-free or Mono-minimized?
I’ve used Gnome exclusively for my DE since the bad days when KDE was slower than molasses. Gnome suffers on the apps front but I’ve installed the KDE programs that I like (K3b, Kate, Ksysmonitor, Kaffeine, etc. ) on my Gnome DE and they work just fine.
Hello consused,
The word flame just draws me like a moth … ummmm … a new alias maybe …
GTK Apps:
Free/Sorta-free
Evolution
Inkscape
GIMP (The DADDY of 'em all)
Abiword
Gnumeric
Pan
Pidgin
Rhythmbox
Banshee
Azureus/Vuze ( yes … I know java … but java with gtk bindings (not qt) … take a look at the source)
ChmSee
gFtp
grsync
gnome-terminal ( … http://forums-opensuse.provo.novell…/…/images/smiliesnew/smile.png ) … you said better than thier qt equivalent …
subcommander
rabbitvcs
… and more …
Commericial
VMWare (don’t think it has qt bindings)
But qt is doing great … no better equivalent to keepassx … ooops … I fogot figaro’s pm 2 … never mind!
Please take Banshee off that list.
Thanks oxala,
I probably don’t even use the qt equivalents of some apps in your list, so I will have to research those.
GIMP - no surprise there - it’s installed with oS KDE. Even gnome terminal has it’s good points, but highlighting Banshee (cf. Amarok) beggars belief, even if it plays CD’s directly whereas Amarok 2.x doesn’t. Although I haven’t used it yet, what are you comparing Rythmbox to?
In the field of Genealogy (or popular family history), gtk has the excellent Gramps, a professional genealogy program and free software project, and AFAIK it has no comparable KDE equivalent. It looks good and runs very well on KDE. For openSUSE, it’s reliably provided by the Education project via OBS, and IIRC makes use of Inkscape.
Just a curious question, and not meant to hijack the thread, is would you go for a Gnome from openSUSE that is Mono-free or Mono-minimized?
A desktop without Gnome Do? Never.
I really don’t see what’s wrong with Mono. I’ve just started to learn C#, and I like it - at least with the (hobby) programmers eye.