Ok without starting a Gnome vs KDE which is best war I just have a simple question.
I currently use Gnome - it just happened to be the one I chose when I installed 11.1. I’ve not tried KDE yet, but when I’m looking for a small applet, app or similar for Gnome, I seem to ge the impression that there is more available for KDE. Is this true or is it just a perception I’m seeing? Is more developed for KDE than Gnome?
My personal feeling is that there are more KDE apps available. (But a lot of them can run in Gnome environment too).
If you want to try KDE4, try only versions >= 4.2.
I got the impression KDE apps are often better than Gnome ones even if both exist, and have ended up using Akregator and Krusader and a few others in my Gnome environment. They work fine, even if they don’t always theme properly - just let them pull in the libraries they need.
Don’t forget there’s nothing stopping you having both (or many) desktop environments installed simultaneously.
I personally prefer Gnome than KDE. Thouh using KDE currently.
KDE 3 series is real desktop, if some one want to experience stable desktop env. 4 is just in development process. Even 4.2.3 still not that mature enough.
Gnome has alot of softwares too.
KDE has QT and gnome depends on GTK. More software are written for GKT.
Gnome is not a memory hog like KDE. KDE will use your resources like vista. its heavy than gnome. Gnome works perfect than KDE on low conf desktops and laptops.
I really beg to differ or are you just trolling around? Both KDE and GNOME have the same memory footprint, and in regards to KDE4 it is known to have a smaller one than GNOME
As for more GTK apps written than QT ones, it’s because of past licensing issues which are now fully resolved. IMHO QT is much more flexible and superior than GTK and I’ve used them both
FYI i also used both, and i am saying that bcoz of my experience not trolling around.
Well, my experience and a lot of other KDE users experiences does not reflect yours. I run KDE4 on an old P4@2.4 ghz with only 512 MB of RAM. Absolutely no performance problems here and saying that KDE will hog your system like Vista does is flatout a lie
There were some complaints about KDE taking more memory etc. but I think it is something to do with some specific program/component. I haven’t yet reproduced anything of that sort in my system.
I think you’re talking about memory leaks present in plasma which caused enormous amount of memory consumption for some users. Most of these problems (if not all) have been fixed by now. On my systems with KDE4 I have never had any memory problems with it. If KDE was such a memory hog like the previous user claimed, don’t you think we’ll have countless complaints about this on the forum, something like people saying how much KDE consumes memory by default? (not related to possible leaks)
Comparing it to vista does not mean that at 1GB RAM it will slow up the things, but compare to gnome.
And where i impose my opinion on others. That were just my opinions as like others and as like you.
You will write what you experienced, not to take a side of one thing, bcoz you like it. I also like KDE, but it does not mean, i will hide the experience i had and have with KDE. You like KDE, just use it, who is stopping you.
IMHO, you are imposing your ideas on others here.
That is what i write about KDE, bcoz i experienced it.
That’s all.
EDIT: I think, This thread should be moved to soap box.
I’m not imposing my ideas on others. I state simple facts. There have been comparisons done on the memory footprint between gnome and kde, and kde won over gnome by a small amount (google around). Do you also refute these comparisons? I’m tired of people claiming bull**** and lying just because they dislike something. I dislike gnome but don’t go around and claim that it will hog your PC just like Vista does, as you obviously did in regards to KDE, which honestly I haven’t seen any proof as of yet that this is the case. Not here, not on the KDE forums, nowhere else. If memory issues are because of leakage, that’s another topic and can just as well happen in gnome if one introduces a memory bug. I have read on the kde forums people running kde4 on just 512 MB (as I do on one of my PCs) and on old CPUs @ ~800 MHz and they seemed happy with it. Ever thought that something might be wrong with your KDE/hardware as it is consuming so much memory?
Too late rotfl!
I’ve been caught between worlds… I like a number of KDE apps and was preferring the Gnome desktop but for me they never quite worked nicely together.
Now I’m testing out openSUSE 11.2 M 2 with KDE 4(.2? .3?) and between Gnome and KDE, it seems to me that Gnome is operating a little faster.
Of course, it could also be because I have a few plasmoids running and sucking down some of my memory and in Gnome I do not. I’ll be testing that by turning off all of the plasmoids I can and see what the effects are.
For the record, it is running on a Pent. M @ 1.4 GHz with 512 MB of Ram. The good thing about a slower system is any changes, efficiencies or tweaks are more noticeable. That does not mean, however, that I am returning to my P III @ 500Mhz w/256 MB of Ram anytime soon!
On Tue, 2009-06-02 at 10:16 +0000, suse tpx60s wrote:
> Ok without starting a Gnome vs KDE which is best war I just have a
> simple question.
>
> I currently use Gnome - it just happened to be the one I chose when I
> installed 11.1. I’ve not tried KDE yet, but when I’m looking for a small
> applet, app or similar for Gnome, I seem to ge the impression that there
> is more available for KDE. Is this true or is it just a perception I’m
> seeing? Is more developed for KDE than Gnome?
At one time this was definitely true. Reason? KDE was just a lot
easier to program with (a lot less verbose, Gnome was a lot like
programming in Motif).
But, there are a plethora of applications in both now, mostly because of
the aura around KDE because of hitches with the Qt license early on
(didn’t matter if it was better/easier… it was declared by many to be
“evil”, which slowed progress there). KDE is not evil anymore and Gnome
isn’t nearly as STUPID as it once was (sorry folks, it WAS STUPID) and
so Gnome has really picked up a lot of momentum and KDE is starting to
regain some of its lost traction.
Both have apps… I think Gnome is probably still playing a bit of catch
up, but not by much, not anymore.
I expect you already realize that asking this question in a forum where a majority use KDE, will tend to favour KDE more. KDE users generally won’t be using Gnome as regularly, if at all. However, as a KDE user, I felt that Gnome visually was generally easier on the eye. That’s important if you spend lots of hours at the screen, and more so as you get older. IMO that is changing with KDE4. Even so, I use KDE 3 in preference to Gnome. That is probably due to the applications that are available on KDE. I also prefer Kickoff to the Slab, and I want lots of features and flexibility in general multimedia applications.
I get the impression that Gnome doesn’t see as many newly developed applications as does KDE. It seems Gnome is more minimalist by design, and introduces less change to protect its ease of use and stability. That is only my personal impression.
It is also my impression (even for 11.1) that for multimedia generally, there have been more function rich applications produced, and so greater choice, for KDE than for Gnome. But Gnome is slowly catching up. Yes, you can run many of them on Gnome as well. When necessary you can also run Gnome apps on KDE, e.g. Gramps (genealogy app) looks very good on KDE (even the author says so).
As for for stability and performance, Gnome may have a small edge over KDE, but I still prefer KDE for it’s wider choice of applications and extra functions. On AMD Sempron 64bit processor (1.8GHz) with 512MB RAM, testing early 11.2 KDE4.3 beta1 (without desktop effects) performs very well even with 4 virtual desktops each with a few different plasmoids. Which is the better performer? They are all fast enough for me. 
suse tpx60s wrote:
> Ok without starting a Gnome vs KDE which is best war I just have a
> simple question.
You asked for it 
> I currently use Gnome - it just happened to be the one I chose when I
> installed 11.1. I’ve not tried KDE yet, but when I’m looking for a small
> applet, app or similar for Gnome, I seem to ge the impression that there
> is more available for KDE. Is this true or is it just a perception I’m
> seeing? Is more developed for KDE than Gnome?
Yes. I think your perception is quite right. Well, I would not say “more
developed” but with a bit “bigger userbase”.
I am in the opposite side: being a kde user since many years and going to
jump into Gnome (currently running openSUSE 10.3 and kde 3.5.9) but still
looking for an application that can replace KShowmail. I cannot find
any “complete” replacement for this small and useful app in Gnome… yet
>:-)
Greetings,
–
Camaleón
Thanks for the comments guys. I knew my first sentence would fick off a bit of a war but hey it’s all fun.
I think I’ll give KDE a go and see how I go with it. I didn’t realise that the majority used KDE on this forum. Actually it makes sense now because I remember reading that Suse’s default or pèreferred choice was KDE.
openSUSE is more KDE than Gnome, but I think Novell SUSE (SLED) is more Gnome and in part because their Mono project binds with Gnome more than KDE.
Being somebody coming to KDE after using Gnome for a while, give it time and have patience. My fault has been I haven’t given myself enough time to get comfortable with KDE before returning to Gnome (same can be said about giving Yast time before returning to apt-get).
Not just because of than, Miguel de Icaza (the MS shill working at Novell) is the co-founder of the GNOME project and Ximian, which Novell bought some years ago
Did somebody point out that you can run any DE ? On my main machine I have the choice of:
KDE4
KDE3
Gnome
Enlightenment
XFCE
IceWM
Fluxbox
and more…
So, I have the choice, and that’s what it’s all about !
Right, I’m about to give KDE a go but am not sure of the best way to download and install it. Do I just get it through YAST and if so what packages do I get? I see KDE3 & 4 there and I’m not clear what the core packages are.