OK this is the last straw. This piece of dung manages to crash BOTH my Windows X servers at random without leaving so much as a hint as to why. It’s not worth investigating. This thing is just pure shite. I’m going back to 10.3. In truth, the only thing I was interested in was KDE 4, and that’s a pile of poo as well. So is Firefox 3.0 - all in all, this entire release is a total disaster.
Open source is getting as sloppy and disorganized as closed source. It’s disheartening.
Now to spend the next three to five hours restoring 10.3 and another day reconfiguring Websphere. I wasted an entire week on this crap. To the team - thanks dudes. No wonder people are flocking to Ubuntu.
Chrysantine wrote:
> If you weren’t so inept, you wouldn’t have issues.
>
>> Open source is getting as sloppy and disorganized as closed source
> More like people who shouldn’t be allowed near computers are flocking
> to OSS without any understanding of how the system works. That is sad.
>
>
Please refrain from personal attacks. Let’s keeps this thread civil.
chopin33 wrote:
> OK this is the last straw. This piece of dung manages to crash BOTH my
> Windows X servers at random without leaving so much as a hint as to
> why. It’s not worth investigating. This thing is just pure shite. I’m
> going back to 10.3. In truth, the only thing I was interested in was
> KDE 4, and that’s a pile of poo as well. So is Firefox 3.0 - all in
> all, this entire release is a total disaster.
>
Seems like your crashing issue would be linked to the KDE4. Running KDE
3.5should fix that. Firefox 3 I haven’t had nor seem issues with but I
wouldn’t throw the blame on openSUSE developers for a third party app.
> Now to spend the next three to five hours restoring 10.3 and another
> day reconfiguring Websphere. I wasted an entire week on this crap. To
> the team - thanks dudes. No wonder people are flocking to Ubuntu.
>
> -drl
>
>
In the future you might want to think of running things in a virtual
environment or on a dev server first before rolling it to a production
machine.
chopin33 wrote:
> Chrysantine;1840314 Wrote:
>> If you weren’t so inept, you wouldn’t have issues.
>>
>>
>> More like people who shouldn’t be allowed near computers are flocking
>> to OSS without any understanding of how the system works. That is sad.
>
> Um, hey moron, I started Linux on Microchannel. Case closed.
>
> -drl
>
>
Please refrain from personal attacks. This is the second warning. Next
attack will cause the thread to get closed in the least.
Like Ubuntu didn’t have that X upgrade that broke everybody’s X server a while back and left everybody at a Command Line? It was fixed quickly at least.
From my meager experience (I haven’t a clue what Microchannel is, is that pre-2002?) problems like that, as frustrating as they are, are some other issue than the distro. Especially if 10.3 works fine on the same hardware.
My first culprit I would check is the installation media. That’s one reason why I’m using Net Installs now (that, and I don’t have a DVD drive on my laptop). I’ve had an Ubuntu installation go all the way through without incidence but still mess up because some of the CD file(s) didn’t install properly. New, fresh burn and it worked like a charm.
Also, as rare as it is, sometimes gremlins get in during installation for no apparent reason and re-installing fixes it (even with the same media).
Yes it is frustrating. Been there, done that and they were sold out of t-shirts.
KDE4 is immature. Firefox 3.0 actually works well, but it does IMHO need tuning in its about:config, and I think (not sure) a large bookmarks.html badly affects its performance. One needs to trim that.
I searched further on your handle I could not find one support request from you to resolve problems. Not one!! Kudos to you for spending so much time trying to solve problems by yourself, but there are users here, on our forum, who will (on their own time, as volunteers) try to help if you post the specifics of your problem.
Are we, the users of http://forums.opensuse.org/ so grumpy and nasty that its too intimidating to post a help request?
I note you are going back to 10.3, … good on ya ! My main PC is still 10.3, although unlike you, I think 11.0, which is running on my test PC with KDE-3.5.9 is VERY VERY good.
But as for flocking back to Ubuntu, well you noted your main reasons for trying 11.0 was KDE4 and Firefox3. If you read a recent interview that Mark Shuttleworth (founder and CEO of Ubuntu gave) he admitted major problems with Ubuntu and firefox3. Also, the “word on the street” is Ubuntu’s KDE4 implementation is SIGNIFICANTLY worse (and more buggy) than openSUSEs.
And a final caveat, I have good friends who use Ubuntu, they think it great, and I support them best I can via email. Many users like Ubuntu, I think the distribution has done good things for Linux, and I don’t want my remarks misconstrued as a Ubuntu criticism. Rather my comments are intended to note that the “grass is always greener next door” and that Ubuntu is not much different (and in some cases worse) than openSUSE.
I have been doing SuSE since the early versions in the mid 90s and have always been a very enthusiastic user and supporter. This release is junk from stem to stern - it is unworthy of the fine reputation that SuSE has earned for tight engineering. There is no doubt in my mind that the effort to out-Vista Vista has caused this debacle. The goals of UNIX on the desktop have been forgotten. C++ as a development idiom is dead. It’s time to move on. You can’t compete with OS-X with work that is this shoddy.
The strength of a distribution is in a large part based upon the support of its community. Please, under what handle did you ask for support on http://forums.opensuse.org or on IRC#alsa, or on the list servers?
If you didn’t ask for help at all on any of the above, with some determination to get the necessary help, then IMHO your comments are simply not worth very much in terms of credibility.
I wouldn’t say 11 is garbage. It’s seems a well put together Linux. I am giving it a second try and it is frustrating for me because things are so different from the Debian based systems I’ve used for the last couple of years. I’ve been assured that if I hang in there things will get better. I hope so.
As for the OP, I feel your pain. However, you should have tested 11 on a test machine or in a virtual environment before you actually deplored it. Don’t feel bad, I had to learn the hard way as well.
Funny, I’ve been running Linux since '97, and this is one of the more polished of the distros, if you want to start a flamewar over distros, try somewhere else. We help each other here, specially when asked.
I am not having as many problems as you do. The main ones are:
Media streaming. 10.3 was much better, but it was a lot more mature. Totem is especially bad.
Firefox 3. It is mainly because I have far too many bookmarks. But I moved back to Firefox 2. I wrote a simple tutorial (not in this forum).
Other than that 11.0 is working fine for me (not using KDE 4).
And BTW, I wouldn’t run Ubuntu even if my life was at stake.
I’ve tried opensuse 11.0 with KDE4 as soon it was released. There are lots of posts since then that KDE4 is still under development and LOTS of recommendations not to use it, but rather to use KDE3.5.xx
oldcpu has indicated this clearly in his thread here.
I’m using opensuse 11.0 with KDE3.5.xx for about 15 days now in it is running perfect, much better than opensuse 10.3.
I really wonder, how come, after almost a month, people are still using KDE4 and complaining… :eek:
Heh… I was 10 in 1980 so at that time I could care less about this stuff. Wasn’t really until programming and typing in 1989 did I start getting interested in computers.
