Fwd: [opensuse-factory] The future of Tumbleweed

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I think that this will interest you.

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Subject: [opensuse-factory] The future of Tumbleweed
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 13:59:54 -0700
From: Greg KH <...@linux.com>
Reply-To: OS-fctry <opensuse-factory@opensuse.org>
To: opensuse-factory@opensuse.org

Hi all,

This came up on the linux-kernel mailing list in a side thread, and I
have since had a few people ask me about this on IRC, so I’d like to
just consolidate all of the questions here into one thread.

I no longer run openSUSE Tumbleweed on my main machines as it is not
useful to me anymore.

This is not to say that I am no longer maintaining Tumbleweed, thanks to
the magic of obs, I am able to keep it up to date just fine by using the
obs command line tools from any Linux distro. In fact, most of all of
the updates in the past 6 months have been made from a server running
Gentoo[1] :slight_smile:

But what this does mean is while I keep checking to see if I made any
major mistakes with it, by keeping a virtual machine up to date, and a
spare laptop working with it, I am much less likely to notice any
problems that occur when running the distro.

So, what’s my future plans with it? I don’t know. I can keep on
keeping it up to date as-is, which seems to work as I haven’t had any
complaints in the past 3-4 months, as no one seems to have noticed…

Ideally, Tumbleweed will die with the use of Factory in its place.
Factory is a great goal, and one that I really want to see happen, as it
fits into my working model (constantly updating stable distro), but from
what I have been told, it’s just not quite there yet.

thanks,

greg k-h

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#2

It is looking to me as if Tumbleweed might be allowed to die after 13.2 comes out (or perhaps 13.3), to be replaced by running the newer, more stable version of factory.

Currently, on my main desktop, I have 13.1 installed, and I am also running factory, using different partitions. If factory really breaks, I can switch back to 13.1 fairly quickly.

And that might be how I do things in future. When 13.2 comes out, I will install that and run it for a while during the shakedown period. But then I’ll switch to an updated factory for most of my normal computer use, so as to help with testing the next release, with a fallback to the stable release still possible by booting the alternative partition.

I need to do some reorganization of my disk and its partitioning to make this work efficiently.

#3

The goal by GK-H seems very reasonable. I’d be happy to cruise with Tw until factory “fits the model”. And if it dies earlier for some reason, I could run 2 instances of openSUSE on the one drive, (1) Factory & (2) Current release (as backup).

[Sometimes I wonder how many people use Tw.]

#4

On 2014-07-17 15:36, nrickert wrote:
>
> It is looking to me as if Tumbleweed might be allowed to die after 13.2
> comes out (or perhaps 13.3), to be replaced by running the newer, more
> stable version of factory.

…which is currently not building, it’s been stuck for more than a
week. It is also broken for 32 bit builds.

–
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.

(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” (Minas Tirith))

#5

On 2014-07-17 16:06, swerdna wrote:
>
> The goal by GK-H seems very reasonable. I’d be happy to cruise with Tw
> until factory “fits the model”. And if it dies earlier for some reason,
> I could run 2 instances of openSUSE on the one drive, (1) Factory & (2)
> Current release (as backup).

It is reasonable.

> [Sometimes I wonder how many people use Tw.]

I don’t, but I have watched it with a lot of interest :slight_smile:

–
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.

(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” (Minas Tirith))

#6

I agree tht Factory would be optimal, so if that is how things go, I am OK with that. Also, I think TW has been pretty awesome, especially because, as GKH said, there have been few problems for a while. I wonder when/if Factory will be as stable as TW?

#7

Closer to three weeks. I am seeing this in “/etc/os-release”:


VERSION="20140626 (Harlequin)"
VERSION_ID="20140626"
PRETTY_NAME="openSUSE 20140626 (Harlequin) (x86_64)"
...

So very little updating since June 26th.

The openQA site is testing 20140716 snapshots, but the most recent at the download site are dated June 29 (because of the testing failures).

#8

Tumbleweed is ideal balance for me. Factory is not very suitable for stable system. So it seems that end of Tumbleweed is end of openSUSE in my case.:frowning:
Fedora maybe be next stage.

#9

On 2014-07-17 21:46, galko ferdinand wrote:
>
> Tumbleweed is ideal balance for me. Factory is not very suitable for
> stable system. So it seems that end of Tumbleweed is end of openSUSE in
> my case.:frowning:
> Fedora maybe be next stage.

Tumbleweed is been replaced by a new factory. It will take some time to
get it correctly, but they are going in that direction. So I would just
switch to factory when Tumbleweed stops.

–
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.

(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” (Minas Tirith))

#10

Agreed. Factory is now tested–it is not only one iteration from the developer’s git any more. In fact, at least one participant in that thread said it has been quite stable since the “new” factory was implemented in February.

#11

I will see. First I will try it in VirtualBox.
Is there any link for Factory repos setup please?

#12

On 2014-07-18 14:36, galko ferdinand wrote:

> Is there any link for Factory repos setup please?

There is a whole wiki page on it :slight_smile:

Sorry, can’t locate the url for you at the moment, I’m temporarily on a
1 GB/month internet cap, so almost no browsing.

–
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.

(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” (Minas Tirith))

#13

openSUSE:Factory installation

#14

Thank you.

#15

I went through the whole thread mentioned here.

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2014-07/msg00098.html

Quite interesting reading.

#16

I was new to linux about a year ago, after some distro-hopping I ended up using Tumbleweed and been using it ever since without any problems (except for the NVIDIA thing which seems now resolved)…
I might try out Factory again, for the next week or so, but the last time I tried it PLASMA crashed every time at shutdown, delaying the process as a result… other than that I saw no major problems with it, and I run a number of external devices for audio and video from my machine.