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Subject: [opensuse-factory] Announce: 13.2 release in November
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 13:33:27 +0100
From: Stephan Kulow <...@suse.de>
To: suse-factory <opensuse-factory@opensuse.org>
Hi,
After reviewing the mailing list thread - and verifying with SUSE
management that there is no other news, I guess I need to clarify
some bits.
To avoid any further uncertainties let’s put this whole discussion
to rest and name the beast: 13.2 will be released in November 2014.
As 12.2 has shown, summer releases are bad - especially with
conferences in spring, so I just don’t want to go there and avoid the
July release.
This means: I will take the 13.1 release schedule and adapt it and
start releasing milestones soon enough. IMO enough people volunteered
to help and I sure hope they stick to their claim. As a reminder: http://s.kulow.org/131-issues shows what tasks the openSUSE
team collected as TODO - so please be ready to say which of those tasks
you volunteer for. 13.1 Milestone1 was in May - so openSUSE conference
in April is the perfect time to bootstrap a release team.
Naturally the release after 13.2 would be again in July - and the same
argument applies then too, but let’s talk about the future schedule once
we have experience with the 12 months.
On 2014-02-01 07:26, conram wrote:
> I saw that link and I presumed he got tired reading the long thread :\
It IS a long and confusing thread. Contradictory things are said. The
post he linked at linux.com just picks on the initial post of the
thread, and even the author said it was incorrect. I hesitate to say my
opinion here lest I be mistaken too.
It seems that the suse staff will be thinking till August on how to
organize (I think) so that they can not do the release things
themselves, this time at least. What they’ll do later I have not clear,
it will probably depend on what they decide on those sessions or
meetings or whatever. The release date has to be pushed to November to
give time to others to pick up, and/or to give time to the suse part of
the team.
This is a very rough sketch and I could be easily confused. I’m drinking
my early morning tea. Too many neurones are not awake yet.
In parallel, there is discussion of going to a yearly release cycle or
keeping the 8 month cycle.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.3 x86_64 “Dartmouth” at Telcontar)
On 02/01/2014 12:13 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2014-02-01 17:46, conram wrote:
>
>> If my memory serves I saw your post and the assurance regarding some
>> explanations in the thread made some sigh of relief to you also.:
>
> Yep.
>
> If you keep reading it (factory link), you will see some explosive
> comments of disgust on how it was initially expressed and the consequences.
It was really badly written. My interpretation of what was said is that the
openSUSE devs cannot meet the 8-month cycle without improving the infrastructure
used to create a new release. These changes include a new version of openqa for
automated testing, and a new model that splits the code into rings such that a
particular package cannot depend on any other one in an outer ring. That latter
change will reduce the load on the build system by reducing the rebuilds that
are not necessary.
Because of these changes, it will not be possible to meet the release date of
July 2014 for 13.2. The proposal is to release 13.2 in November 2014, and then
return to the 8-month cycle so that 13.3 would be out in July 2015. Under
discussion, but not yet approved, is the possibility of a mid-cycle respin of
the distribution to include any updated packages.
It was really badly written. My interpretation of what was said is that the
openSUSE devs cannot meet the 8-month cycle without improving the infrastructure
used to create a new release. These changes include a new version of openqa for
automated testing, and a new model that splits the code into rings such that a
particular package cannot depend on any other one in an outer ring. That latter
change will reduce the load on the build system by reducing the rebuilds that
are not necessary.
Exactly!
This is creating a lot of negative feedback from the Linux community and should be fixed with a official statement. As I read on various Linux news sites the tone is not set properly.
As written on, for example, LWN.net the confusion is spreading so people have to jump intoto comments to clerify Changes at openSUSE [LWN.net]
Ok. All well and good -but- when can we expect the raw, alpha, beta code to appear. Personally, as Carlos and a few others know, I could NOT get 13.1 to work on my PC. They all helped -but- nothing would work -and- I decide that I was NOT going to work on computers -again- over Christmas.
So, I was hoping that preliminaries would be out sometime in January or February so that I could see IF any changes in 13.2 would make the ‘13’ version work on my machine. Hmmmmm… 13 … ?? Is that a bad number.:?
Anywho, is there any speculations as to when the coding will start??? I’m ready to start testing. Not released until November is fine with me. Just lets get something to start testing… so’s I can complain.
Take care and thanks to all,
Chuck
P.S.
Please take this as intended… Serious -but- light hearted.
> Anywho, is there any speculations as to when the coding will start???
> I’m ready to start testing. Not released until November is fine with
> me. Just lets get something to start testing… so’s I can complain.
Subscribe to the factory mail list, and listen to the traffic. Or read
it via gmane.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” at Telcontar)
On 03/08/2014 08:58 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2014-03-08 15:46, chucktr wrote:
>
>> Anywho, is there any speculations as to when the coding will start???
>> I’m ready to start testing. Not released until November is fine with
>> me. Just lets get something to start testing… so’s I can complain.
>
> Subscribe to the factory mail list, and listen to the traffic. Or read
> it via gmane.
That is a very good suggestion. No one said coding ever stopped, just that for
the moment the major emphasis is on infrastructure improvements. Factory is
available for you to test at http://download.opensuse.org/factory/iso/. Bugs are
reported through bugzilla, or on the factory ML.
Thanks to you all… -and- I will try the factory -or- Tumbleweed on my “Test” partition. My attempts at making 13.1 my new “Main” failed. So, I will just test those before trying to replace my 12.3 … again – which incidentally is working great. I have been able to compile the Full Android System and install it on my phone… using openSuSE 12.3.
