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Posted today on opensuse-project and opensuse-factory mailing linst:

Subject: [opensuse-project] Versionitis - Results (Or: The next openSUSE
release is openSUSE 12.1)
Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2011, 10:06:30
From: Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com>
To: opensuse-project@opensuse.org

The voting on how to do the versioning is over and the “old school”
has won by 55 per cent (of 98 participants). Thanks to all that
participated in the two votes and the discussion around the topic.

As Coolo said in
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2011-03/msg00516.html, we’d
like to make a small change to the numbering:

We will not have a .0 release but only .1, .2, .3 release. Since we
have releases in three months, the November release is always the .1
release, the July release the .2 and the March release the .3.

So, the plan is that the next release will be called openSUSE 12.1 and
launched on the 10th of November, 2011! Two years later - on the 14th
of November, 2013 - we will then have the openSUSE 13.1 release.

So, the next four releases are:

  • November 2011: openSUSE 12.1
  • July 2012: openSUSE 12.2
  • March 2013: openSUSE 12.3
  • November 2013: openSUSE 13.1

Detailed results for logged-in openSUSE members are available at the
connect poll page and I have reproduced them here as well:

  • A: “old school”: Like currently but only counting the right number until 3:
    55% (54 votes)
  • B: “Fedora style”: Just integers:
    29 % (28 votes)
  • C: “Ubuntu style”: YY.MM:
    16 % (16 votes)

This is also consistent with the results of thefirst public voting (see
http://lizards.opensuse.org/2011/03/28/opensuse-release-versioning-poll-on-
last-three-options/
).

Note that openSUSE does not have a major and minor numbering, even if it seems
so. There is right now no difference in any way between what we would do for
openSUSE 11.4 or 12.0 or 12.1 – and no sense to speak about openSUSE 11 or
openSUSE 11 family. We also had in the past no process on how to name the next
release (when to increase which parts of the number).

I think this new versioning is still consistent with the old one but also an
improvement since it’s now clear that we change the first digit every two
year. The first poll showed that half of our users prefer a date based
versioning and the other a consecutive numbering. So, depending on your point
of view, you can see this as a mixture of both or as consecutive numbering :wink:

So, time now to make openSUSE 12.1 a great release!

Andreas

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Thanks for sharing this Larry. I was completely unaware that this was being discussed. (Although, I really only care about the quality of the release, not the numbering). :slight_smile:

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Interesting little snip. Thanks

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Larry Finger wrote:
> Posted today on opensuse-project and opensuse-factory mailing linst:
>
> Subject: [opensuse-project] Versionitis - Results (Or: The next openSUSE
> release is openSUSE 12.1)
> Date: Wednesday, April 06, 2011, 10:06:30
> From: Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com>
> To: opensuse-project@opensuse.org
>
> The voting on how to do the versioning is over and the “old school”
> has won by 55 per cent (of 98 participants). Thanks to all that
> participated in the two votes and the discussion around the topic.
>
> As Coolo said in
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2011-03/msg00516.html, we’d
> like to make a small change to the numbering:
>
> We will not have a .0 release but only .1, .2, .3 release. Since we
> have releases in three months, the November release is always the .1
> release, the July release the .2 and the March release the .3.
>
> So, the plan is that the next release will be called openSUSE 12.1 and
> launched on the 10th of November, 2011! Two years later - on the 14th
> of November, 2013 - we will then have the openSUSE 13.1 release.

Duh, did everybody miss the obvious?

11.4 Nov 2011
12.1 Mar 2012
12.2 Jul 2012
12.3 Nov 2012
13.1 Mar 2013
and so on

Anybody see the subtle connection between the 12s there? And the 13s etc
etc. The 11.4 is necessary just to get started.

That would be a numbering system everybody could understand, especially
noobs and journalists. What’s planned will just cause confusion.

Cheers, Dave

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On 04/07/2011 11:48 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:
> Duh, did everybody miss the obvious?
>
> 11.4 Nov 2011
> 12.1 Mar 2012
> 12.2 Jul 2012
> 12.3 Nov 2012
> 13.1 Mar 2013
> and so on
>
> Anybody see the subtle connection between the 12s there? And the 13s etc

wait a second! the thread opener would indicate not what you wrote, but:

11.4 Mar 11
12.1 Nov 11
12.2 Jul 12
12.3 Mar 13
13.1 Nov 13
13.2 Jul 14
13.3 Mar 15
14.1 Nov 15

which has no subtle (consistent) connection of 12s or 13s to anything i
can see…

but, i am known to be kinda 33 Mhz like :wink:

–
CAVEAT: http://is.gd/bpoMD [NNTP via openSUSE 11.3 + KDE4.5.5 +
Thunderbird3.1.8] Can you believe it? This guy Ralph wins $181 million
in the lottery last Wednesday, and then finds the love of his life just
2 days later. Talk about LUCK!

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DenverD wrote:
> On 04/07/2011 11:48 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:
>> Duh, did everybody miss the obvious?
>>
>> 11.4 Nov 2011

Oops, sorry I should have said

11.5 Nov 2011

>> 12.1 Mar 2012
>> 12.2 Jul 2012
>> 12.3 Nov 2012
>> 13.1 Mar 2013
>> and so on
>>
>> Anybody see the subtle connection between the 12s there? And the 13s etc
>
> wait a second! the thread opener would indicate not what you wrote, but:
>
> 11.4 Mar 11

Doh, sorry.

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On 04/07/2011 03:07 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:
> Oops, sorry I should have said
> 11.5 Nov 2011

are you trying to
a. trick me
b. check my ability to count
c. confuse me
d: all of the above

i ask because with “11.5 Nov 11” i still don’t see the connect of 12s,
13s 14s etc:

11.4 Mar 11
11.5 Nov 11
12.1 Jul 12
12.2 Mar 13
12.3 Nov 13
13.1 Jul 14
13.2 Mar 15
13.3 Nov 15
14.1 Jul 16

i don’t understand womens either. :wink:

–
CAVEAT: http://is.gd/bpoMD [NNTP via openSUSE 11.3 + KDE4.5.5 +
Thunderbird3.1.8] Can you believe it? This guy Ralph wins $181 million
in the lottery last Wednesday, and then finds the love of his life just
2 days later. Talk about LUCK!

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DenverD wrote:
> On 04/07/2011 03:07 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:
>> Oops, sorry I should have said
>> 11.5 Nov 2011
>
> are you trying to
> a. trick me
> b. check my ability to count
> c. confuse me
> d: all of the above

e. other - I’m trying to con you out of all your money :slight_smile:

> i ask because with “11.5 Nov 11” i still don’t see the connect of 12s,
> 13s 14s etc:
>
> 11.4 Mar 11
> 11.5 Nov 11
> 12.1 Jul 12
> 12.2 Mar 13
> 12.3 Nov 13
> 13.1 Jul 14
> 13.2 Mar 15
> 13.3 Nov 15
> 14.1 Jul 16

Where did you get this crazy list from? Look at MY list! :stuck_out_tongue:

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On 04/07/2011 04:16 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:
> Where did you get this crazy list from? Look at MY list! :stuck_out_tongue:

oh, now i understand!

–
CAVEAT: http://is.gd/bpoMD [NNTP via openSUSE 11.3 + KDE4.5.5 +
Thunderbird3.1.8] Can you believe it? This guy Ralph wins $181 million
in the lottery last Wednesday, and then finds the love of his life just
2 days later. Talk about LUCK!

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As this seems to confuse people, let’s make it simple.

  • The .1 release will occur in November of odd years.

  • The .2 release will occur in July of even years.

  • The .3 release will occur in March of odd years.

  • There will be no .0 releases.

  • The next release will be 12.1 in November of 2011.

  • There is no correlation of the major release number with the year.

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On 04/07/2011 05:57 PM, Larry Finger wrote:
> As this seems to confuse people, let’s make it simple.
> * The .1 release will occur in November of odd years.
> * The .2 release will occur in July of even years.
> * The .3 release will occur in March of odd years.
> * There will be no .0 releases.
> * The next release will be 12.1 in November of 2011.
> * There is no correlation of the major release number with the year.

i wrote:
11.4 Mar 11
12.1 Nov 11
12.2 Jul 12
12.3 Mar 13
13.1 Nov 13
13.2 Jul 14
13.3 Mar 15
14.1 Nov 15

so (psssst) tap Dave on the shoulder–but, i know he was just pulling my
leg… :slight_smile:

–
CAVEAT: http://is.gd/bpoMD [NNTP via openSUSE 11.3 + KDE4.5.5 +
Thunderbird3.1.8] Can you believe it? This guy Ralph wins $181 million
in the lottery last Wednesday, and then finds the love of his life just
2 days later. Talk about LUCK!

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So when I upgrade to openSUSE 11.4 in January 2012, openSUSE 12.1 will be available, and when I update to that version in Sept. 2012, openSUSE 12.2 will be released and so on.

I think I got it.

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On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 09:48:37 +0000, Dave Howorth wrote:

> Anybody see the subtle connection between the 12s there? And the 13s etc
> etc. The 11.4 is necessary just to get started.

Actually, I was involved in the discussions about this, and honestly I
don’t recall seeing anything in the discussions suggesting a link between
the version number (11, 12, 13) tying it to the year. The discussion
took place after 11.4 had been decided on, so that really wasn’t a factor
in the discussion, just a happy coincidence. :slight_smile:

Jim

–
Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C

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A responsive community, that comes up with a sensible numbering system. Just another reason I love Opensuse!

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> Actually, I was involved in the discussions about this, and honestly I
> don’t recall seeing anything in the discussions suggesting a link between
> the version number (11, 12, 13) tying it to the year. The discussion
> took place after 11.4 had been decided on, so that really wasn’t a factor
> in the discussion, just a happy coincidence.
>
> Jim

Andreas noted “…it’s now clear that we change the first digit every two
year. The first poll showed that half of our users prefer a date based
versioning and the other a consecutive numbering. So, depending on your point
of view, you can see this as a mixture of both or as consecutive numbering”

I think that your happy coincidence and his “mixture” will only hold true if we skip 13, 15, etc.:

  • November 2011: openSUSE 12.1

  • July 2012: openSUSE 12.2

  • March 2013: openSUSE 12.3

  • November 2013: openSUSE 14.1

  • July 2014: openSUSE 14.2

  • March 2015: openSUSE 14.3

  • November 2015: openSUSE 16.1

  • July 2016: openSUSE 16.2

  • March 2017: openSUSE 16.3

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Only if one insists on having an x.1, x.2, and x.3. Instead it could be:

  • November 2011: openSUSE 12.1

  • July 2012: openSUSE 12.2

  • March 2013: openSUSE 13.1

  • November 2013: openSUSE 13.2

  • July 2014: openSUSE 14.1

  • March 2015: openSUSE 15.1

  • November 2015: openSUSE 15.2

  • July 2016: openSUSE 16.1

  • March 2017: openSUSE 17.1

… etc …

That IS of course speculation on my part. From my recollection the number of x.y, x.y+1, … releases was never consistent in the past wrt SuSE and then openSUSE, so it may not be so in the future.

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On 2011-10-25 07:06, oldcpu wrote:
> That IS of course speculation on my part. From my recollection the
> number of x.y, x.y+1, … releases was never consistent in the past wrt
> SuSE and then openSUSE, so it may not be so in the future.

The openSUSE numbering system was decided in a vote this year and is not
going to change in a foreseeable future.

It is x.1, x.2, x.3, y.1 etc. The release cycle is 8 months.

–
Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

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On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 05:06:02 +0000, oldcpu wrote:

> That IS of course speculation on my part. From my recollection the
> number of x.y, x.y+1, … releases was never consistent in the past wrt
> SuSE and then openSUSE, so it may not be so in the future.

The decision made (not that it couldn’t change, but I don’t think it’s
likely) was that there would be three releases per version.

Jim

–
Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C