Well, I tried dracut -f anyway, but still receive the same output with inxi.
On my system, Xorg.0.log last had modification over a month ago, presumably it stopped when I upgraded to Leap 15.0. Since Wayland is emulating Xorg (as XWayland), does it place logs in a different file?
You mean /etc/fstab?
LABEL=System / btrfs noatime,defaults 0 0
LABEL=System /boot/grub2/i386-pc btrfs noatime,subvol=@/boot/grub2/i386-pc 0 0
LABEL=System /boot/grub2/x86_64-efi btrfs noatime,subvol=@/boot/grub2/x86_64-efi 0 0
LABEL=System /home btrfs noatime,subvol=@/home 0 0
LABEL=System /opt btrfs noatime,subvol=@/opt 0 0
LABEL=System /srv btrfs noatime,subvol=@/srv 0 0
LABEL=System /tmp btrfs noatime,subvol=@/tmp 0 0
LABEL=System /usr/local btrfs noatime,subvol=@/usr/local 0 0
LABEL=System /var/cache btrfs noatime,subvol=@/var/cache 0 0
LABEL=System /var/crash btrfs noatime,subvol=@/var/crash 0 0
LABEL=System /var/lib/libvirt/images btrfs noatime,subvol=@/var/lib/libvirt/images 0 0
LABEL=System /var/lib/machines btrfs noatime,subvol=@/var/lib/machines 0 0
LABEL=System /var/lib/mailman btrfs noatime,subvol=@/var/lib/mailman 0 0
LABEL=System /var/lib/mariadb btrfs noatime,subvol=@/var/lib/mariadb 0 0
LABEL=System /var/lib/mysql btrfs noatime,subvol=@/var/lib/mysql 0 0
LABEL=System /var/lib/named btrfs noatime,subvol=@/var/lib/named 0 0
LABEL=System /var/lib/pgsql btrfs noatime,subvol=@/var/lib/pgsql 0 0
LABEL=System /var/log btrfs noatime,subvol=@/var/log 0 0
LABEL=System /var/opt btrfs noatime,subvol=@/var/opt 0 0
LABEL=System /var/spool btrfs noatime,subvol=@/var/spool 0 0
LABEL=System /var/tmp btrfs noatime,subvol=@/var/tmp 0 0
LABEL=System /.snapshots btrfs noatime,subvol=@/.snapshots 0 0
UUID=#### swap swap defaults 0 0
Maybe it’s somewhere in ~/.local/share/? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101756 suggests there may have been (and may still be?) no desired logging available.
Other than finding a way to not use *wayland, I’m out of suggestions. IMO Wayland’s not ready for displacing Xorg. A simple B.O.O search Content: wayland Status: UNCONFIRMED, NEW, CONFIRMED, IN_PROGRESS, REOPENED Product: openSUSE Distribution returns 40 open bugs. This may be one that needs to be added.
Have you tried using Xorg since your original post? How about XFCE or IceWM (or anything besides Gnome, in Xorg), to see if the freezing persists outside of Gnome or Wayland?
No, Wayland is not emulating Xorg. There are no equivalent logs if Gnome acting as Wayland compositor.
Perhaps I’m using slightly inaccurate terminology. Wayland is running an X Server as a middle layer between its compositor and the X Client for “GNOME on Xorg”.
That’s not correct. Gnome renders directly using EGL. GTK applications should use the Wayland backend. The lg (looking glass) tool in GNOME can be used to determine what display server a given window is using. XWayland implements a compatibility layer to seamlessly run legacy X11 applications on Wayland.
References:
To humor you, I tried LightDM, but you will have to educate me on how the Display Manager would affect something like this. In any case, with a different Display Manager, GNOME would not idle to screensaver or display shut-off properly, nor handle user switching well, so it was hard to stick with a non-gdm Display Manager.
I may have had success by removing the xorg-x11-server-wayland package, which removed the gnome-session-wayland package as well. Since uninstalling these packages, I have been using GNOME and nouveau without crashes, though only for about two days.
Selecting a Gnome (on Xorg) session should have been all that was required here (as those packages are only used for Gnome Wayland support).
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That’s not correct. Gnome renders directly using EGL. GTK applications should use the Wayland backend. The lg (looking glass) tool in GNOME can be used to determine what display server a given window is using. XWayland implements a compatibility layer to seamlessly run legacy X11 applications on Wayland.[/QUOTE]
Which part isn’t correct? My phrasing or the diagram I referenced?
When I had tried GNOME (on Xorg), I had still seen “XWayland” in the logs. Are you saying that I shouldn’t have seen that?
To report back, I eventually experienced crashes with even this setup.
But, on a positive note, I have been running XFCE (with gdm) for almost a week with no system (i.e. nouveau) crashes.
A pragmatic solution. Thanks for the update.
I revisited GNOME after using it on a Leap 42.3 machine successfully and found that in both installations (Leap 15.0 and 42.3), I avoided crashes by using the Window switcher in favor of the Application switcher for my Alt+Tab behavior (but I’m not sure if I’m using these features’ proper names). The crashing only differed between 42.3’s session crashing and restarting itself, and 15.0’s freezing of the display for the entire system.
Additionally, I found that the redshift application can cause some crashing as well, so I haven’t tried disabling redshift and using the Application switcher, but that may work as well. However, I would rather use redshift than the Application switching feature.
In short, I think I can avoid crashes in GNOME on Leap 15.0 with the nouveau driver by:
- Using the Window switcher for Alt+Tab
- Not playing h264 video
- Not playing Neverwinter Nights on WINE
I will keep updating this thread if I figure out how to use GNOME with even fewer of these restrictions.