Forum tags in subject line should be capitalized, bold and enclosed with square brackets

On 2015-08-09 21:10, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 03:33:43 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:

>> Of course, I’ll wait. I’m not complaining, just commenting :slight_smile:
>
> Your comments come across as complaints. We know you’re waiting for it.
> Your patience is appreciated. Your constant “comments” about it not
> being done (which actually are complaints) are not.

No, sorry, that’s your interpretation. I insist I’m not complaining :frowning:


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” at Telcontar)

On 2015-08-09 21:07, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 02:44:05 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>> On 2015-08-09 04:35, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 01:54:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>
>>>> And that tittle is not transmitted to the nntp side.
>>>
>>> You might recall that I said that I don’t have time to tweak the
>>> gateway right now. That still is true.
>>
>> Yes, I remember.
>
> And yet you find reason to complain.

Again, I’m not complaining. :frowning:


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” at Telcontar)

On 2015-08-09 21:09, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 02:58:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> The information is all stored in a database, Carlos. We don’t scrape
> stuff from the web side (that would be a ridiculous way to handle it).
> The database schema itself is quite complex, and will take some time to
> sort out.

I know.

I meant that if, on the web side, the tags get written to the Subject,
then they would automatically get to the nntp side without doing
anything extra, same as the rest of the subject.

> As I have said a few times now, spare time is not something I have a lot
> of, but it’s on my radar to do.

I know and I understand.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” at Telcontar)

On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 20:03:05 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> On 2015-08-09 21:10, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 03:33:43 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>
>>> Of course, I’ll wait. I’m not complaining, just commenting :slight_smile:
>>
>> Your comments come across as complaints. We know you’re waiting for
>> it.
>> Your patience is appreciated. Your constant “comments” about it not
>> being done (which actually are complaints) are not.
>
> No, sorry, that’s your interpretation. I insist I’m not complaining :frowning:

Your comments have been noted. If you find the interface insufficient,
you can switch to the web interface.

You find it necessary to comment constantly about things you don’t like
or that aren’t done the way you would do them or aren’t done to your
liking. That’s the definition of a complaint.

Your comments are unnecessary. You’ve been heard. Move on.

Jim

Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
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On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 20:03:07 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> On 2015-08-09 21:09, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 02:58:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>
>> The information is all stored in a database, Carlos. We don’t scrape
>> stuff from the web side (that would be a ridiculous way to handle it).
>> The database schema itself is quite complex, and will take some time to
>> sort out.
>
> I know.
>
> I meant that if, on the web side, the tags get written to the Subject,
> then they would automatically get to the nntp side without doing
> anything extra, same as the rest of the subject.

They don’t, and because it’s a database field, it’s irrelevant.

>> As I have said a few times now, spare time is not something I have a
>> lot of, but it’s on my radar to do.
>
> I know and I understand.

And yet you feel the need to continually comment on the missing piece of
the gateway with this change, and you wonder why we think you’re
complaining.

Seriously, how do you expect anyone to take you when you constantly are
“commenting” about things you don’t like, and that it has been explained
to you that it’ll be dealt with when the people involved have time to
deal with it? Yet you still feel the need to “comment” about it.

Move on.

Jim

Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C

On 2015-08-10 00:17, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 20:03:05 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> You find it necessary to comment constantly about things you don’t like
> or that aren’t done the way you would do them or aren’t done to your
> liking. That’s the definition of a complaint.

Not to me.

Anyway, I understand then that it is a touchy subject to you, and will
try to remember to abstain from commenting on such issues.

Sorry.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.

(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” (Minas Tirith))

On 2015-08-09 21:07, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 12:34:07 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:

>> Would there be a way to concoct a script, using curl, lynx or whatever,
>> to extract and display the tags? Do you think that would be easy?
>
> Not likely, no.

Just in case of doubt, I was thinking doing it on my, client, side, not
on the server side.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.

(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” (Minas Tirith))

It would appear that on Aug 9, Carlos E. R. did say:

> On 2015-08-09 19:57, JtWdyP wrote:

> > So until somebody from the webside replies to an nntp side thread, I guess
> > we’d have to open the relevant forum in the browser. and paste the subject
> > into the search forum web tool.
>
> Yes. But a thread started on the nntp side will not have tags anyway, so
> it doesn’t make sense to try find them on the web side. On the other
> hand, any thread started on the web side will have them, and will have a
> link at least on the initial post of the thread.

Though I’ve seen threads I started on the nntp side, that had a reply from
the web side, which reply had the links at the bottom. So if you spot a
reply from a user you know uses the web forum, it would at least quickly
index the right thread. Which is all I’da been doing with the web search
tool anyway.

> > And that’s more pointy clicky bull dodo, than my keyboard oriented fingers
> > want to do, just to rule out the relevance of those threads that used to
> > belong in the separate tumbleweeds forum… <sigh>
>
> I wonder if we could concoct a script to use lynx or curl or whatever
> and parse the result to just print the tags in the CLI for us. :-?

Don’t know about curl, but neither lynx nor linkx text mode browsers seem
able to login to the forum, which would put a captcha in the way of any
forum search. But maybe is possible with external search. Though I’m
thinking this would not be worth the effort unless your X was broken,
And you were trying to find a fix for it. ;-7

> > By the way, I’m curious what an nttp side ‘Tumbleweeds’ user is supposed to
> > due, to include the ‘mandatory’ tags when starting a new thread?

Whoopsi Obviously I meant “do”… Never trust a spell checker :wink:

>
> We can’t.
>
> We’ll just have to include the information in the text. Not just for
> tumbleweed, but for anything.

Which starts to make the OP’s suggestion sound relevant:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/25u00mw.jpg

Since the nntp user can’t select one of these tags. It would make sense to
embed them in the text of the subject line. Until the forum admins have the
time to develop an official method.

And since the official prefix for Tumbleweed is in all caps, it would make
sense to capitalize the un-official embedded substitute tag. So if I was
going to start a thread to ask about using Tumbleweed with non-free Nvidia
driver, I might render the Subject: line as:


[TUMBLEWEED] Can I run Tumbleweed without trashing Nvidia driver?

Which would look as good to a web user because there wouldn’t be a real
forum tag in front of the subject…

Though if a web user had started that thread, we nntp users won’t see the
tag until the forum admins have the time to solve the problem. And I can’t
see me bothering to manually insert it in a reply. And in fact I think that
would be anti-social behavior. As the resulting view in the web interface’s
thread index would look something like:


TUMBLEWEED [TUMBLEWEED] Can I run Tumbleweed without trashing Nvidia driver?

And that’s just a little too much “Tumbling” for me.
So I think I’ll just wait for the eventual official solution. They know the
problem. They’ve heard the ideas. But unless you can talk the Doctor into
lending them his TARDIS, :wink: we really do need to wait for them to find the
time. And as much as I’m sure they really do want to. I’m also sure they
have a lot of other issues taking up what time they do have. So I for one
will try to be patient.


JtWdyP

Any new post of you about this, including the above, will delay any solution. You are irritating those who would probably be able to do it, immensely. And irritated people will go elsewehere and concentrate on other. more rewarding and less irritating bussinesses.

Please do NOT answer this, because it will be detriment to your own cause.

On 2015-08-10 02:46, JtWdyP wrote:
> It would appear that on Aug 9, Carlos E. R. did say:

>> I wonder if we could concoct a script to use lynx or curl or whatever
>> and parse the result to just print the tags in the CLI for us. :-?
>
> Don’t know about curl, but neither lynx nor linkx text mode browsers seem
> able to login to the forum, which would put a captcha in the way of any
> forum search. But maybe is possible with external search. Though I’m
> thinking this would not be worth the effort unless your X was broken,
> And you were trying to find a fix for it. ;-7

No need to login. The thing would be to pass the body of a message to
the script (dunno if Thunderbird can do that; Alpine might). This would
seek for a line at the end with the text “View this thread:”. It
contains the link. Feed it to a text mode browser. I tried “links”, it
does download the page. But I don’t see how to differentiate the tags,
though.

I know that some people have done clever things with curl. You can
partially download a page and parse it.

Why would I do it? To save bandwidth. Sometimes my internet is limited.
Also possible would be to add to my local message database a field with
the tags extracted this way.

Dunno. Just thinking aloud of possibilities at my side. Maybe not worth it.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.

(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” (Minas Tirith))

On 2015-08-10 09:36, hcvv wrote:

> Any new post of you about this, including the above, will delay any
> solution. You are irritating those who would probably be able to do it,
> immensely. And irritated people will go elsewehere and concentrate on
> other. more rewarding and less irritating bussinesses.

I’m really sorry. Perhaps there is a language or cultural barrier. I
really have no idea why you are irritated.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.

(from 13.1 x86_64 “Bottle” (Minas Tirith))