Using the search site i have found the following repo that offers HAL Index of /repositories/home:/flowabcd but it seems that is not working as it should.
A bug report was filled here https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=768562 but closed in a VERY stupid way i dare to say. Hal is present in the repos of distros like Ubuntu or Mageia but not in the openSUSE repo. Before saying that is deprecated (i know that ) the openSUSE developers must take in consideration that Adobe will not adjust his program just because most linux distro`s dropped HAL. So IMHO the package HAL should be present in the OSS repo for Flash to use when rendering DRM content.
Martin tried that, adobe flash player fails to play after HAL is installed, see the bug report. But dont worry i have seen that HAL is available on other distros so there is always another option.
Am 25.06.2012 21:36, schrieb creatura85:>
> Martin tried that, adobe flash player fails to play after HAL is
> installed, see the bug report. But don`t worry i have seen that HAL is
available on other distro`s so there is always another option.
>
>
I tried it now myself with the hal rpm from the kde3 repo and have not
the simplest problem to play the drm content on the test page referenced
in your link.
Are you sure that you started the hal daemon after installing hal?
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> A bug report was filled here
> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=768562 but closed in a VERY
> stupid way i dare to say. Hal is present in the repos of distros like
> Ubuntu or Mageia but not in the openSUSE repo. Before saying that is
> deprecated (i know that ) the openSUSE developers must take in
> consideration that Adobe will not adjust his program just because most
> linux distro`s dropped HAL. So IMHO the package HAL should be present in
> the OSS repo for Flash to use when rendering DRM content.
Yes, a typical sample of how the opensource side tries to ignore the closed
source side. On the other hand, it is also typical of how closed source can
not keep pace with the fast cycle of open source software.
It is also funny how even openSUSE devs and packagers “ignore” that kde3 is
maintained in openSUSE and that it also uses HAL. Intentionally, I guess >:-)
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“opensource side” ignores the two pieces of software that use a deprecated software. Your KDE 3 example shows is not related to being closed source.
In fact KDE 3 is more “ignored”. Flash would actually have been fixed by someone if it would be open source. Adobe is the one ignoring Flash here.
On 2012-06-26 08:46, creatura85 wrote:
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> Martin, i had retested Hal this morning and it seems that is working; i
> can`t explain why yesterday the darn thing did not worked…*.
Maybe a reboot was needed after the installation.
> *Robin, we live in strange times
Indeed.
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To completely understand the situation. HAL is not in the main repo because nobody able to maintain it wants to.
Is not a decision from the corporate Suse. Is not a decision from the openSUSE Board. Is not a decision from the secret dark “opensource side” Wisemen’s Committee hidden in dark side of the moon (ups! perhaps I shouldn’t have said that…).
There was only a decision taken, from Danny Kukawka. He was maintaining HAL and he decided that he didn’t want to continue doing it.
Anybody can go and say: “Hey, I will do the work!” and HAL will be back in openSUSE. As simple as that.
It’s interesting that the only people seeing a problem here are in the group of the ones without the knowledge to maintain HAL.
I think it’s pretty natural. Most people want things to work and don’t have the knowledge to maintain HAL. I certainly don’t have the knowledge and if HAL gets dropped for good the only way for me would be to use windows to play the DRM content. Of course I don’t blame anyone from openSUSE for this but that is just the way things are
Am 26.06.2012 15:06, schrieb glistwan:
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> RedDwarf;2471362 Wrote:
>>
>>
>> It’s interesting that the only people seeing a problem here are in the
>> group of the ones without the knowledge to maintain HAL.
> I think it’s pretty natural. Most people want things to work and don’t
> have the knowledge to maintain HAL. I certainly don’t have the knowledge
> and if HAL gets dropped for good the only way for me would be to use
> windows to play the DRM content. Of course I don’t blame anyone from
> openSUSE for this but that is just the way things are
>
>
I also think that the situation is somewhat natural that often people
who want a feature have not the knowledge to maintain it.
In fact when it comes to hal there is a certain chance that we will
loose the version available in the KDE3 repo in the foreseeable future
since the KDE3 people are and were quickly removing the hal dependencies
in KDE3. So sooner or later they will not have a reason to keep it and
get rid of it.
I may be a good strategy for everyone who needs it in the future to grab
the src rpm and when the binaries disappear to give a
rpmbuild --rebuild hal*src.rpm
a try and hope for the best when they move to a new openSUSE version in
which it is no longer present in whatever repository.
The build dependencies are not that exotic and running that command
should not be a very big difficulty even for people without deeper
knowledge how to build rpms.
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On 2012-06-26 16:06, RedDwarf wrote:
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> glistwan;2471371 Wrote:
>> I think it’s pretty natural. Most people want things to work and don’t
>> have the knowledge to maintain HAL.
> It’s still a 0.0% of the 32,633 packagers with an account in the OBS.
> And I guess at least a 99.99% of these want things to work.
There are many more users than packagers or devs, by orders of magnitude.
Its the duty of those to cater for the needs of users.
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Carlos E. R. wrote:
> There are many more users than packagers or devs, by orders of magnitude.
> Its the duty of those to cater for the needs of users.
I’m sorry? Somebody who decides to maintain a package, or somebody who
develops some software and generously releases it to the world has
somehow, miraculously (or by the work of the devil) acquired a DUTY to
some member of the great unwashed public that they have never met?
On 2012-06-26 16:30, Dave Howorth wrote:
> Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> There are many more users than packagers or devs, by orders of magnitude.
>> Its the duty of those to cater for the needs of users.
>
> I’m sorry? Somebody who decides to maintain a package, or somebody who
> develops some software and generously releases it to the world has
> somehow, miraculously (or by the work of the devil) acquired a DUTY to
> some member of the great unwashed public that they have never met?
Absolutely. If devs have no users, they die.
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Why? I package application X because I want to use it, if I’m happy
that it’s good enough for others to use I might publish it in my home
repository, if it seems popular then I might push to a devel
project and in turn push might out to factory.
At that point and that point only I’m making a commitment to maintain
for however long that release runs for, after that who knows…
someone else may pick it up or I might drop it for the next release.
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I agree that if someone creates a package and makes it available, they are not under any legal obligation to continue the development of the software or even fix critical problems. This raises the question of whether openSUSE or any other desktop linux distribution can claim to be a reasonable alternative to Windows or OSX desktops for general use. This is not to say the commercial packages do not disappear but they are far less likely to be affected by the interests and health of one or two people. Linux is a very good server OS. With some effort, a Linux desktop is a good system for developing software for and for supporting Linux, AIX, Solaris, etc. servers. It seems to me that it is difficult for many open source projects to do adequate testing. I do not see how a closed source application can support a large number of significantly different Linux distributions. The linux desktop systems must contribute nothing to Adobe, NVIDIA, etc. If the Linux desktop environment does not make it easy for them to support desktop linux they may well walk away. There may be a lot of open source supporters who would welcome that. However I do not think that pure open source distribution would grow the usage of openSUSE or the Linux desktop in general.
Am 26.06.2012 23:26, schrieb vindevienne:
> I agree that if someone creates a package and makes it available, they
> are not under any legal obligation to continue the development of the
> software or even fix critical problems. This raises the question of
> whether openSUSE or any other desktop linux distribution can claim to be
> a reasonable alternative to Windows or OSX desktops for general use.
I want to comment on that part a bit.
That is exactly why commercial linux distros exist, they give you that
certainty that what they provide is supported for you for at least 7
years (RH and SUSE for both their desktop and server versions), but you
pay for that service it has a price.
For the gratis versions you have to keep in mind the software if not
provided as binaries in the repositories is still there, it does not
disappear, you can become your own maintainer by compiling it yourself
or you can ask the community if someone is willing to build it in their
home repositories (of course that means also you need to trust the
person who does it).
Building in the home repo is much less hassle for someone with limited
time than to become the official maintainer in factory and oss, it is
just a one shot thing without commitment to support it for a certain
time of course but on the other hand a nice way to share the effort with
others who might want to use it.
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