Flash Movie Playback

To install iPlayer in linux: What Download Button? Couldn’t see it on the iPlayer (using FFox). I did see something about it earlier today described as coming soon for linux and only available now in a test Lab.

You may have to accept becoming part of Labs testing on iPlayer front page, scroll down, lower right. Then it will give you the download option.

openchrome

Ick
The last time I came up dealing with this make for someone, it didn’t leave me feeling happy smiley :frowning:

That the issue is not universally experienced on ALL flash sites is not too much of a surprise - Much of our surfing experience is down to more than just flash itself. If you feel really interested, in FF right click to view source code - It can be Very interesting.

@merovian
This is on a 5mbps connection.

Hopefully someone can find the problem if it’s more than just cache, but that seems to be the issue.

You should be fine with that. And in any case, even if it was poorer than that at busy times the behavior to expect is the screenplay stops and you get the busy symbol as it caches some more. It should not really cause the problem being described in this thread.

I won’t venture to attempt to diagnose and say it isn’t cache. What I will reiterate is the fact that the same notebook, granted it’s old but works fine, does not display any erratic or laggy flash streaming using XP and even a beta of Windows 7. I have also tried numerous sites with a MacBook and that too is sans errors. So, this means there is a problem with the OS - openSUSE. As I have also mentioned, I had the problem with 11.0 as well. I cannot comment on older versions as until recently I haven’t had much to do with Suse. I was running Debian on this particular notebook and I did NOT have the issue I am describing above with that OS either.

At the risk of sounding like a ******, the simple fact is this is unacceptable. How do you folks wish to have this be adopted as viable desktop OS when basic streaming of content is causing this much aggravation? I am no zealot of any OS, actually I am a HP-UX engineer by trade, but this is more than enough to turn the average Joe off from the product. I suppose I could spend endless time farting with this to try an uncover the problem but I don;t go that route any more. This wasn’t a problem many years ago when I began playing with Linux and wasn’t married and had no children and time wasn’t the luxury it is now. I now pretend to be “average Joe computer user” and expect a product to work or not. I am already past the point of even caring why this is an issue and moving on to either reinstalling XP back on the device or give the soon to be released version of Debian a go. Maybe I’ll give the next version of openSUSE a try “live” or on a seperate partition to see if the problem still persists but as for now I’ve just about reached the end of the rainbow.

I just tried all the mentioned sites in firefox on my laptop and all streamed as I would expect them too.

To me You look like a person with some personal problems and add to this being a fanboy. What You do is simple complaining and You cover Your lack of basic knowledge by waving fancy titles. I pity You by the way for behaving like a 10 year old boy who didn’t get his lollipop. You have received an answer but it looks to me like You didn’t look for it but for an opportunity to troll around. I also had some problems with Linux at the beginning but i never cried like You. If You just want to talk then there is a special section like chit-chat, go there and don’t poison us with Your attitude.

caf4926

Thank you for staying with this performance problem.

You may have to accept becoming part of Labs testing on iPlayer front page, scroll down, lower right. Then it will give you the download option.

Thanks, but if it’s beta software at best, I’m not sure I want to introduce into the equation. Will probably wait for the release.

You should be fine with that. And in any case, even if it was poorer than that at busy times the behavior to expect is the screenplay stops and you get the busy symbol as it caches some more. It should not really cause the problem being described in this thread.

Never had screenplay stops with busy symbol on this problem, so I guess your saying it’s probably not a cache problem.

For now, I am excluding my video driver from this problem since it works well on local video (including DVDs) with small player window upto fullscreen. I wait to be proved wrong.

Before I get into the detail of what I tried today, I can confirm that you were right about the probable irrelevance of PulseAudio here. As you seemed twice reluctant to answer my (silly?) question about your situation with that, I decided to remove every installed package Yast showed for pulseaudio, and ran the iPlayer. It made no difference and after reinstalling all packages the problem remained.

The main differences that may matter between my 10.3 (works flawlessly) and 11.1 (works poorly) with streaming video are:

10.3: KDE 3.5.7; Firefox 2.0.0.19; Flash 9; BBC iPlayer 2.9 (High Quality option works well. Fullscreen is just about adequate)
11.1: KDE 3.5.10; Firefox 3.0.5; Flash 10; BBC iPlayer 2.9

There seems to be at least two components to the problem, described in this thread as jerky and stuttering. Movement within the picture appears too slow, and cutting from one scene to the next is slower than it needs to be, hence the jerky effect observed. Also you can sometimes see the audio lagging behind the lip movement.

As well as the BBC (iplayer), I visited several other media sites including CNN and MSN. These media sites ran well on 11.1, but they had one thing in common - their default picture size (fixed) was significantly smaller than the iPlayer that ran poorly. Indeed, one of the other media sites with a picture size slightly larger than the rest, began to show signs of slight jerkiness. At some point in the past on 11.1, I used a site (can’t recall it) where you could switch the player from default size (larger than the above media sites) to the original video size i.e. much smaller, and that corrected the problem.

A useful feature of the BBC iplayer, allows you to pop-out the player from the firefox window and into its own dedicated window (noticeably smaller). You can then further reduce the picture size by dragging the window’s corner to any smaller size you like. Unless you are already flawless, you should see the performance improve as you decrease the picture size, as I did on 11,1. It also works on my 10.3 config, but its not needed there.

I hate to say it, but it seems that 11.1 (or 11.0?) has returned some users to watching those silly little video pictures on their computers. I don’t think many people now would watch TV if they had to put up with the performance of the small screens of the 1950s.rotfl!

If I had to put money on the cause of this problem, I would put it on the combination of Firefox 3 and Flash 10, including any other plugins involved in the streaming. I couldn’t go any further than that,

I can tell you I have found Flash 10 not as good as 9, and poorer quality you describe is what I experienced in Suse on my Box. But I shifted to Fedora - but not for that reason.

My Laptop however is flawless
as in sig

BBR, I could care less what you think about me. I could sink to your lowly level and call you this or that but there is no point. Once I navigate away from this board you cease to exist.

Anyway, having done some digging around I see I am clearly not alone with complaints of either stutter audio or video - or both. This topic is one being discussed on numerous boards but I still see no clear way to correct the issue on my current installation. I love the layout of this distro but I cannot deal with the stuttering issue and will have to switch back to one of two distos I have used that didn’t have this problem. It’s kind of sad that I come to a forum with a legitimate issue and instead of assistance I get insulted. I guess I expected too much.

caf4926

I can tell you I have found Flash 10 not as good as 9, and poorer quality you describe is what I experienced in Suse on my Box.

petegnj

This topic is one being discussed on numerous boards

Both of those are interesting because I have just tried a very newly and massively updated PCLOS 2007 (soon to become 2009) in another partition. It has:

KDE 3.5.10; Firefox 3.0.5; Flash 10; BBC iPlayer 2.9 (exactly compares with my 11.1 - see above post)

It suffered the same symptons as described in my last post but not quite as bad, and it settled down better after popping out the iPlayer window i.e. a small size reduction. Of course it’s a smaller, lighter distro but the performance degradation was enough to be just as annoying.

I won’t be switching distros over this, and I won’t be removing 10.3 until this performance issue is fixed. I guess that wraps it up for me.

Look mate, don’t be surprised i get mad over Your attitude as You clearly stated it is being discussed on numerous boards etc. And while i also had stuttering video it was only there when my broadband speed was lower (my ISP doubles my bandwidth from 00:00 AM to 12:00 AM) so i can say it is NOT a problem of the OS, it is NOT a problem of Flash, if You would understand basics of computers you wouldn’t even start this thread. I am not a web developer but all i can say that differs between sites you mentioned and youtube is that youtube just stops playing the content when it reached the end of what you have downloaded and waits for a bit content to buffer while those sites force playing the content not waiting for the buffer to fill. If you feel insulted then change You attitude because i didn’t write it without a reason. While everyone tries to help You here you just complain.

Firstly, I’m not your mate. Secondly do away with the condescending attitude. I am more technical than you can ever hope to be. Finally, bend over and suck it because it IS a problem with the something in the OS because I just finished installing Ubuntu 8.10 earlier and I no longer have the issue described. If you wish to contribute on a forum learn your role and shut your hole when you have no clue what you are talking about.

Thanks to the others for their input. I’ll revist this topic around the next release. Hopefully this is rectified because I have SLES deployed globally in the firm and there are a lot of things I like about how openSUSE is packaged. I am not a fan of Ubuntu by any means, although I have a soft spot for Debian. I will still stick around as I have a workstation on my desk running openSUSE 11.0 that works fine for its intended purpose. Being firewalled and going through a proxy server I don’t care much about browsing as I do at home so the point is moot concerning that device.

I know this will sound kinda dumb, but have you installed the latest Flash plugin update from the official repo-update?

I am running 10.0.15.3-1.1 with no problems.

The original install is 10.0.12.36-4.4

If you have already updated, did you try rolling back? Just a thought – I know it doesn’t solve the problem of the fact that it should have just worked fine out of the box, but if you are lacking the update, or if the update is the problem, we can at least try to get that much closer to the solution…

Thanks. I tried this with no luck. I appreciate the help but I have already removed the OS and I no longer have the issue. Like I said, I will definitely try again when the next version rolls out. I really like the default look of Gnome as installed. It is very polished and professional looking and it ran well on my laptop except for the issue which started this thread.

…have you installed the latest Flash plugin update from the official repo-update?

I am running 10.0.15.3-1.1 with no problems.

Good points well made, but I have that version and problems. Looking at /var/log/zypp/history, it updated late december.

petegnj

Thanks for the ride, even though its not fixed.

I just finished installing Ubuntu 8.10 earlier and I no longer have the issue described.

What version of flash did you get?

I have a Kubuntu 8.04 (64 bit) partition (fully updated) with:

KDE 3.5.10; Firefox 3.0.5; Flash 9

It also worked flawlessly using BBC iPlayer, High Quality option, and no size reduction needed.

I was having the flash stuttering sound problem as well on a site. Disable adblock plus if you are running it to see the video.

SBS :: RocKwiz :: Watch clip :: Holiday Sidewinder & Andrew Stockdale

suse 11.1 FF 3.5.3 KDE4 Flash 10

I installed

padevchooser - PulseAudio Device Chooser
pavucontrol - PulseAudio Volume Control
pavumeter - PulseAudio Volume Meter
paman - PulseAudio Manager
paprefs - PulseAudio Preferences

hoping to find something useful. I noticed that if I ran the PulseAudio Volume Meter or PulseAudio Volume Control the stuttering disappeared. The noise at the beginning of audio pn other sites that didn’t stutter stopped as well.

Not a perfect solution. I’m still looking for a config change that will work.

Did you check out step-7 in the audio troubleshooting guide for openSUSE:
SDB:AudioTroubleshooting - openSUSE - step 7
especially the second part to step 7.

Thanks, that fixed it.:slight_smile:

Any further troubleshooting tips for jerky video? I’ve got ipv6 disabled and no adblock plus.

I’m hesitant to mess with the flash plugins in case I mess them up altogether!

Assume you are 11.2?
Graphics card? Driver?
RAM?

11.2 with ATI Mobility Radeon and 1 gig ram. I’m hazarding a guess that lack of RAM, is a primary concern - videos these days are getting huge.

AFAIK I’ve NOT got the ATI drivers enabled, as previously I’ve had a lot of problem with them in the newer kernel. Something to do with it being a legacy card with insufficient video RAM. or maybe using one of the older ATI drivers?

I wonder if there is some sort of workaround - maybe I could try one of those utilities that save Youtube videos to disk, so I can run it without Firefox.