I am quite sure that I read something similar already in the forums but I can´t find it anymore. So I would like to post my question… maybe it can be merged to the older one…
Anyway:
since a system update some days ago, Firefox has lost its integration into KDE. Means: when I save something from the Internet, it opens the old and ugly Gnome “file save” dialog. The file save dialog of Dolphin is not used anymore and with that, no bookmarks anymore in the sidebar… etc.
I also searched for options and packages and whatnot for switching the KDE integration back on… no success. Also because I don´t know how they are named.
Thunderbird in openSUSE 12.1 is also affected by this issue.
Systems affected: openSUSE 11.4 with KDE 4.6.5 and openSUSE 12.1 with KDE 4.7.2
On 02/26/2012 09:46 PM, hcvv wrote:
> But not for those people who only want to use a stable standard
> openSUSE with OSS, non-OSS Update and Packman.
correct…when the fix was found i suggested [in the factory ml] to roll
it into update and someone else recommened that be done on 13 Mar along
with something else (no, i don’t remember what–its in the bug i’m too
lazy to look for now) already scheduled…
then in the next day or two 10.0.2 came through–without this fix…
anyway, the problem in this thread is only cosmetic, the 10.0.2 was a
security patch…
I do not quite get what you call cosmetic. When I want to save something from FF I now get a very bewildering thing to do. I get a different window for choosing the place where to store it, but far morw worse, when I click on a directory there, thyat line turns blue, but there is no switching to that directory. I have ether to click on the Save button (which then does not save, but switches to the selected directory) or I have to click again on that line within a short time aftyer the first click. I get a severe ache in my fingers for that primitive behaviour. And it irritates me veryy much.
On 02/27/2012 10:16 AM, hcvv wrote:
>
> I do not quite get what you call cosmetic. When I want to save
> something from FF I now get a very bewildering thing to do. <snip>
sorry! i had no idea all of that was going on…
i got the impression (from Carl, i believe) that my Firefox was using
“ugly” gth and his (with the fix) was use qt–he didn’t mention anything
else (as you did)…so, to me it seemed only a cosmetic thing…
where you will find Carl’s notes, as well as my suggestion to push it
into update, and #24 said just put it in with the next security update
(but that was missed as 10.0.2 came out without it, so i guess the next
is wait until FF11 on 13 Mar…
perhaps you need to highlight in the bug the full range of the problem… ??
or fallback to 9…
or patch as did Carl…
or don’t open or save anything in ff
or use Opera, etc
I will reread and follow your advice later in the day.
Especialy the last two ones are interesting
True is in any case that the “intergration” of FF in KDE is not as good as Konqui’s was/is. E.g.:
. saving a bookmark in Konqui saves it in KDE bookmark list, which I have in my main Kmenu for easy use. Not so for FF, which has it’s seperate bookmark list.
. saving a userid/password in Konqui put it in Kwallet. Integrated in KDE. Not so for FF, which has it’s own password mechanism.
No, it is not allways progress what one experiences.
(Must I add, that Konqui could be used as the default browser in KDE, but that it has much more isuues in HTTP browsing then FF?)
On 02/27/2012 11:36 AM, hcvv wrote:
> (Must I add, that Konqui could be used as the default browser in KDE,
> but that it has much more isuues in HTTP browsing then FF?)
it is my opinion that as a web browser Konqueror leaves a LOT to be
desired (missing all those cool add-ons, especially Ad Block) but is
really really fast…
in fact, i find it FAST but unusable in that it just miss renders so
many things…
however, Konqueror remains the best of the best in somethings…like for
reading a man page…‘browsing’ on my own hard drive, especially in
/usr/share/doc/ [but i never read those things as they are all
confusing, and if i read them it takes away from the excitement of
experimenting with (for example) loaded guns aimed at my own feet ]
> On 02/27/2012 11:36 AM, hcvv wrote:
>> (Must I add, that Konqui could be used as the default browser in KDE,
>> but that it has much more isuues in HTTP browsing then FF?)
>
> it is my opinion that as a web browser Konqueror leaves a LOT to be
> desired (missing all those cool add-ons, especially Ad Block) but is
> really really fast…
>
> in fact, i find it FAST but unusable in that it just miss renders so
> many things…
>
> however, Konqueror remains the best of the best in somethings…like for
> reading a man page…‘browsing’ on my own hard drive, especially in
> /usr/share/doc/ [but i never read those things as they are all
> confusing, and if i read them it takes away from the excitement of
> experimenting with (for example) loaded guns aimed at my own feet ]
>
konqueror does support filter lists. perhaps it’s not the same adblock
plugin that FF uses, but it comes with a bunch of pre-configured lists,
like “easy <this or that country>”, and manual filters can be configured,
too. available under settings -> web browsing -> AdBlock Filters.
yes, when I want to save an attachement from Thunderbird, it also comes up with this Gnome-something “file save as” dialog. I have T-Bird 10.0.2 with KDE 4.7.2 running in 12.1…
On 02/28/2012 09:36 PM, steffen13 wrote:
> yes, when I want to save an attachement from Thunderbird, it also comes
> up with this Gnome-something “file save as” dialog. I have T-Bird 10.0.2
> with KDE 4.7.2 running in 12.1…
as far as i know (i have not researched it) that bug has not been filed…
and, you should do so…but first search the bugzilla and if a bug on
this exists, then add to it, if not begin one…begin here and you
will find a way to search: http://tinyurl.com/nzhq7j
and, when you have logged your bug please return here, begin a new
thread (with Thunderbird blah blah in the subject line) describe your
problem and give the bug number/URL…
that way, others googling in will be able to easily find the latest
status of the bug, and add info as appropriate…
Am 27.02.2012 10:16, schrieb hcvv:
>
> I do not quite get what you call cosmetic. When I want to save
> something from FF I now get a very bewildering thing to do. I get a
> different window for choosing the place where to store it, but far morw
> worse, when I click on a directory there, thyat line turns blue, but
> there is no switching to that directory. I have ether to click on the
> Save button (which then does not save, but switches to the selected
> directory) or I have to click again on that line within a short time
> aftyer the first click. I get a severe ache in my fingers for that
> primitive behaviour. And it irritates me veryy much.
Pretty much everything was said in this thread already but a few more
comments from my side (as the one putting most of that together).
The Firefox KDE integration is a set of complex patches to Firefox.
Internal refactoring of Firefox 10 caused the whole patch to be
non-working. It needed quite some work to adapt it again. We didn’t
manage to finish it before Firefox 10.0 got released and it was no
option to delay an important security update because of that feature.
At some point before 10.0.2 was released to the official updates, I
finished the work. The problem was that 10.0.2 was submitted quite some
days before already to the maintenance process. (That process takes time
so the initial version of 10.0.2 still didn’t have the patches.)
But to sum up.
This is a cosmetical issue still and far less important than security
issues. I can understand that people used to KDE do not necessarily
understand the Gtk file dialog immediately. Still remember this is
Firefox as delivered by Mozilla and understand that we (openSUSE)
improved the KDE experience a lot but sometimes it’s hard to be as fast
as Mozilla with their releases and hundreds of people working on it
compared to 1-2 persons in openSUSE.
A sidenote on the OBS mozilla repository:
This repository is basically as stable as the official updates because
it’s maintained by the same person and exact copies of that repo are
usually released as maintenance updates later on (again because the
maintenance process takes time).
Thank you for the extensive explanation. When th change hit me, I stored some files with wrong names in the wrong places. With some struggling I now get thyat right. But I will be glad when FF behaves “normaly” again.
I allready thought something in te range you paint, thus I did not complain here from the first moment I had it. Hoping it would be sorted out soon. Maybe partly I thought I was a bit of my own fault. But as this thread started I thought it would be applicable to throw in my experiences.
PS, I see that some people call the interface we have now as of type Gnome. I do not use Gnome, but is all this realy normal behaviour in Gnome?
PS, I see that some people call the interface we have now as of type Gnome. I do not use Gnome, but is all this realy normal behaviour in Gnome?
yes, the filemanager window you see now when saving data from Firefox, is the same as in Gnome 2. I don´t know about Gnome 3, but I am absolutely sure that this filemanager window, we see now in Firefox is identical with the one in Gnome 2.
