I was planning to make openSUSE-12.1 my linux OS on the dual-boot laptop. But reading all these posts I’m feeling sared.
On 10/23/2011 08:26 AM, prudra wrote:
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> I was planning to make openSUSE-12.1 my linux OS on the dual-boot
> laptop. But reading all these posts I’m feeling sared.
don’t read them! none of them are about openSUSE 12.1, instead all of
them are about interim releases of TESTING level software which is KNOWN
to not yet ready for the prime time…
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DD
openSUSE®, the “German Automobiles” of operating systems
On 23.10.2011 09:26, prudra wrote:
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> I was planning to make openSUSE-12.1 my linux OS on the dual-boot
> laptop. But reading all these posts I’m feeling sared.
>
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No guts, no glory 
Honestly, beta software is not for faint hearted.
But it helps if you know your way a bit in trouble shooting and fixing
things
Never try, never fry…
Vahis
http://waxborg.servepics.com
openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) 2.6.37.6-0.7-default main host
openSUSE 12.1 RC 1 (x86_64) 3.1.0-rc9-1-desktop in VirtualBox
openSUSE 11.4 (i586) 3.0.6-44-desktop “Tumbleweed” in EeePC 900
On 10/23/2011 08:44 AM, Vahis wrote:
> Never try, never fry…
interesting typo!
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DD
openSUSE®, the “German Automobiles” of operating systems
On 23.10.2011 09:52, DenverD wrote:
> On 10/23/2011 08:44 AM, Vahis wrote:
>> Never try, never fry…
>
> interesting typo!
>
Trying or frying?
Vahis
http://waxborg.servepics.com
openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) 2.6.37.6-0.7-default main host
openSUSE 12.1 RC 1 (x86_64) 3.1.0-rc9-1-desktop in VirtualBox
openSUSE 11.4 (i586) 3.0.6-44-desktop “Tumbleweed” in EeePC 900
On 10/23/2011 09:01 AM, Vahis wrote:
>>> Never try, never fry…
>> interesting typo!
> Trying or frying?
OH! i first heard “No guts, no glory” [which you used] from the lips of
an old, but much decorated and still breathing vietnam era fighter
pilot–so i was in the flying frame of mind when i read your “Never try,
never fry” and took it as a typo for “Never try, never fly.”
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DD
openSUSE®, the “German Automobiles” of operating systems
So I suppose you don’t know about the ‘smoke test’, ‘crash and burn’ and the ‘leap of faith’
On 10/23/2011 10:56 AM, techwiz03 wrote:
> So I suppose you don’t know about the ‘smoke test’, ‘crash and burn’
> and the ‘leap of faith’
hmmm…no, i’m aware of those three…but, so far Google has only found
“Never try, never fry.” eight times
<http://www.google.com/search?q=“Never+try%2C+never+fry”>, so i guess it
is not so prevalent that i should have known it wasn’t a typo.
but, <http://www.google.com/search?q=“Never+try%2C+never+fly”> 1700+ hits
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DD
openSUSE®, trys and flys.
> I was planning to make openSUSE-12.1 my linux OS on the dual-boot
> laptop. But reading all these posts I’m feeling sared.
I have it on a laptop as the ONLY OS. Works a treat.
Never been a fan of dual-boot but if your second OS is of
importance to you then, yah, I’d wait till it’s fleshed out
lest the second partition go bye-bye.
I will be going with 12.1, without hesitation.
Most of what I am seeing is good. There are a few fumbles along the way, but that’s what beta testing is all about.
There are a number of changes in this release, particularly those related to “systemd”, so things will work a bit differently from the way they have in previous releases.
I am having to rethink how I do encrypted partitions. Some of what is changed affects that. Otherwise, I don’t anticipate any unusual problems. If you have 64 bit hardware, I recommend that you install as 64 bit (not 32 bit).
I feel confident upgrading to 12.1.
I’m looking forward to working with systemd and the new kernel 3.1.
It’s clear that the openSUSE 12.x series is evolving into a wonderful distro.
Fresh install on a dual-boot laptop with no installer problems with 12.1RC1 (32bit) openSUSE-KDE-LiveCD-Build0379-i686.iso. However, there’s no internet network connection on the first run, so I rebooted. After which the network was working smoothly on an old Intel-P4 / 1GB Mem. “Looking Good SUSE”
Every development version of a GNU/Linux distribution has its hiccups. And sometimes when one is beta testing on a bad day, those hiccups can get the best of us doing the testing and that bad day may result in us saying derogatory things that we later regret saying. Even our apologies afterward can fail to undo the damage that our ill thought criticism brought to bear. One needs to live with their regret sometimes a lot longer the one lived with the event that caused the regret.
IMHO its best to contribute what one can, and at the same time have some fun and faith … 
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What I do for my main PC is never update to a new release until at least a month has gone by AFTER the ‘gold mastered’ (GM) release date, and sometimes until after 3 or more months have gone by. That allows (1) many of the early bugs to have been fixed, and (2) many more 3rd party applications to have been packaged.
For example:
- openSUSE-11.3 was released in July-2010. I installed openSUSE-11.3 on my main PC at the end of December-2010 (ie after 5-months)
- openSUSE-11.4 was released in March-2011. I installed openSUSE-11.4 on my main PC at the end of September-2011. (ie after 6-months)
Now I’m not saying it important that one wait 5-6 months to install a release. On the contrary I typically install on test PCs the milestones, beta(s), and release candidates. But I do think if one has some concern, then do not try to be the one who has the newest operating system on the block, but rather have some patience and wait a month or two for things to settle down. Rest assured there will be many thousands of others who WILL dive in to the new release, and the major issues that were missed during the development phase WILL be flushed at during those first couple of months.
That’s just my overly conservative way of approaching this. It has served me well since SuSE-7.3 and before then since Red Hat 4.0.
Part of this is my own direct experience, and part is my own relatively uninformed opinion:
Direct experience: I have installed 12.1 RC-1 on the following notebooks and netbooks:
Samsung P-580
Samsung NF-310
Samsung N-150 Plus
HP Pavilion dm1-3105
HP 2133 Mini-Note
Lenovo S10-3s
Every one of them works without problem, every bit of hardware is supported and the drivers loaded automatically. I try a lot of different Linux distributions, and as of this moment openSuSE 12.1 is the only one which gets the Synaptic ClickPad in the HP 3105 right, and it is one of very few which get the Ralink 5390 WiFi adapter in that system right.
Uninformed opinion: From reading these forums, and from my won experience, it seems that the majority of the problems described here relate to installing from the full DVD distribution. I never do that, I only install from the Live ISO images, and I have not had any significant problems with the installation. The other thing I take from reading these forums is that the openSuSE developers and experienced users are quite responsive, so if there are problems they are likely to be addressed pretty quickly.
My own conclusion/action: I am not “planning to” switch when the 12.1 final release is out, I have already done so. All of the above mentioned laptops and netbooks are multi-boot systems with openSuSE, Windows and a number of other Linux distributions installed (anywhere from three to ten others). openSuSE 12.1 is the default boot partition on all of them.
jw
So install 11.4 instead.
That is what my plan is since 11.3 is reaching EOL soon, then I will install or upgrade to 12.1 in Sept. 2012 when 11.4 reaches EOL.
Transformation from 11.3 to 11.4 in April on my netbook was very smooth. There was absolutely no roadblock. However, every time I install some opensuse OS my concern is texlive-latex which needs downloading some 225MB. No other linux OS need that much downloading. Can something be done about that?
Yes, I have to go through that on both laptop and desktop. In effect, I download that twice.
I think there’s also an additional DVD you can load with supplementary software. But I don’t know whether latex is on that DVD. For me, it doesn’t seem worth downloading an additional 4G DVD image just to avoid twice downloading 250M of software.
On 2011-10-29 15:46, nrickert wrote:
> Yes, I have to go through that on both laptop and desktop. In effect,
> I download that twice.
You can do it just once.
You have to configure repos to keep downloaded packages (both machines),
then export the directories in the desktop and import in the notebook, via NFS.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)