Fedora 14 out soon

Fedora 14 is going to be officially released in the next few hours. Personally I can’t wait to get my openSUSE 11.3/Fedora 14 dual boot going when F14 is released. :slight_smile: - Tried the RC on virtualbox and its really stable. Is anybody else planning on trying out F14?

I’ve never tried Fedora - what does it give you that openSUSE doesn’t?

Every Linux distribution is different with slightly different focus, dependant on the philosophy and expertise of the packagers who package the distribution, and how they respond to their user community. Plus for some distributions the ‘funding’ of the organization behind the distribution comes in to play.

In the case of Fedora, it is a user desktop, that is also used as a cutting edge version of software and of the Linux operating system that may ultimately appear in Red Hat, the server version (which is a very sucessful commercial product). Novell with the openSUSE and the SLED/SLES releationship is to a certain extent following the same approach as Fedora.

There are threads on this subject on our forum. For example: The difference between OpenSuse vs. Fedora Core? *

As I noted in that thread:

and also some hypothetical examples explaining what I mean by one distribution being more cutting edge

… Again, I’m a big openSUSE fan which is why I use openSUSE.*

I like Fedora because they use cutting edge packages (which can also be a bad thing but I haven’t had any problems with using these packages) and also there is also a new and exciting feature(s) in each release. But I wouldn’t replace openSUSE with Fedora. IMO its good to have both thus dual boot.

ArchLinux is more cutting edge than Fedora. I’m going to update some Fedora too (13->14). (Un)fortunately OpenBSD has just been released too (the site is unreachable yet) … and there are only 48 hours per day. :frowning:
November is a very stressful month for multibooters.

I haven’t tried fedora, what do you think of their forum?

I tried Fedora a long time ago and didn’t like it…but maybe I’ll put 14 on my sandbox machine to test it out…just out of curiosity. I’m not leaving openSUSE.


I have run it thru it’s development stages and will be installing the 14 release too.

Fedora is a great OS there is no doubt about that. What I don’t want to see here is a ranting comparison thread.
I use openSUSE because I prefer it.
But I could easily use Fedora.

Another great OS out there ATM is Mint-Debian and if you think Fedora is out there with cutting edge, try this rolling release.

IMHO they have a pretty good forum. I can’t say the same about their chat channel which IMHO has a number of ‘resident trolls’.

Thanks oldcpu. I should have qualified my question with “for technical support”, but in your case I can safely assume that was taken care of in your answer.

Have a successful and enjoyable trip, for later this week. :slight_smile:

I have used openSUSE for longer so I am more used to using it (found myself typing zypper in Fedora instead of yum to install packages rotfl!) - I still prefer openSUSE over Fedora. Fedora is just my second choice of OS. I would never replace openSUSE with Fedora - just dual boot.

@caf4926: Thinking of trying Mint Debian out on a VM. It looks really good.

It’s worth a run for sure.

Some advice for those that do.
Some updates of to replace some config files. If you replace you loose the Mint look and go pure debian in parts. So as a rule, keep the files you already have.

Here it is

Fedora is fine but be warned about SELinux. The time I installed Fedora 13 it wouldn’t let me boot into a pre-existing /home partition.

Whenever I switch distributions I clear out all the hidden config’ files from home leaving just my personal files in place and keep the same partition set up, this gives me a ‘clean’ install. This has only caused problems with Sidux (aptosid) and Fedora. The Sidux problem was done by design due to their own particular paranoia regarding reusing /home partitions but with Fedora it was all due to SELinux. I had to log into a virtual terminal as root and disable SELinux, then reboot, only then I could log into a graphical desktop using my own username. It changed the permissions on my storage drive too.


Fedora spends a fair bit of effort on the underside (the guts), and making that run nicely. They include open source drivers with 3D support for Nvidia and ATI as well as open source wifi drivers which nicely handles my Broadcom out of the box. It has given me the better functioning drivers most of the time.

Non-free and not-mainstream applications, though, don’t get the same attention. I had installed the same program (Calibre) on my laptop in 2 different distributions and it worked in one while in Fedora it failed (same exact hardware/laptop). I followed the instructions to add the Chromium repository yet I still can’t install Chromium yet. Codecs are easier in openSUSE than in Fedora from my experience (so far).

So, like was said before, they are both good distributions in what is their focus. It also changes as time goes on between releases and updates. I’ve had soemthing that worked well start regressing with updates in both distributions.

Fedora is solidly in my “short list” of distributions I focus one to use; Fedora, openSUSE & Ubuntu.

I tried Fedora 14 for a few days and being a newbie, was thankful, and a little surprised, to find the Autoten script. It got Flash working for me, which I was having a few challenges with. (Yeah, my needs are basic right now!) I understand that Fedora is not perhaps quite as “beginner” friendly as OpenSuse or Ubuntu, though I have to say using once you know the commands, “yum” is about as easy as it gets. Still it was nice to be able to find Autoten was available. But, anyways, here I am back with OpenSuse once more. So far it has held its own against all the other distros I have tried. The big things for me, are the boot and hibernate times. OpenSuse is at least twice as fast (if not more so), at hibernating, waking up and booting my Lenovo S10 netbook, as any other distribution I have tried. It also feels polished, which I would expect, given the ownership. I did like Fedora though, and I think if I were not using OpenSuse, I would probably settle on Fedora.

I want to try Fedora 14 (downloaded and burned the dvd) :slight_smile: but only one thing stopping me is the Package management (add remove software) I think opensuse package management is the best, polished, easy to use. Last time I tried fedora 13 and remove some thing I thought was not necessary for me, and some system package was also removed along with. Same is the case with ubuntu.

I would not waste any time with FC14
I’ve just moved from FC because of it.
225 updates needed to the live DVD install, Bugs being filed at a rate of 20/hr. very sloppy QA.

But see for your selves

Good luck Richard

I don’t have problems with Fedora’s package management (and I install quite a bunch of stuff). The only ‘minor’ issue I have from time to time is when the kmod-nvidia package doesn’t immediately follow the kernel update. In that case if you want to use the nvidia driver, you can be stuck one or two days with the previous kernel (which doesn’t get replaced by default on Fedora unlike openSUSE).

kmod-nvidia package doesn’t immediately follow the kernel update
Same here
+1 with your comments

+1 for the package management concern. Found similar issue with k/ubuntu, and PCLOS. They tried to oversimplify. K/ubuntu with its strange choice of package manager (replacing Synaptic); and PCLOS insisting on packages in quite large batches of updates being applied at the same time, or subsequent errors can and do occur.