Dual Booting with Windows 8

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I thought that I would install a new hard drive and see if I could dual boot Opensuse 13.2RC with Win 8 that came with my laptop.
I have spent most of yesterday googling and reinstalling operating systems and this is the best I have been able to do…
The laptop boots into windows without any option to select Opensuse, there is no GRUB loader. But I can hit Esc. when booting which will bring up a menu where I can select “Boot device options” then “Opensuse-secureboot” This will bring up GRUB and allow me to boot into either OS.
I’m just wondering if there is a way to either add Opensuse to the windows loader (if there is one) or getting the computer to use GRUB.

I used grub-efi on the install and have set up secure booting in BIOS.
I’m happy to just install only Opensuse 13.2 when it comes out in a few days, but I was wanting to try Photoshop for a bit.

The laptop is a HP Paviliong6 with an OEM windows 8

Any help would be great, thanks

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On Sun 02 Nov 2014 02:16:01 AM CST, asarge wrote:

I thought that I would install a new hard drive and see if I could dual
boot Opensuse 13.2RC with Win 8 that came with my laptop.
I have spent most of yesterday googling and reinstalling operating
systems and this is the best I have been able to do…
The laptop boots into windows without any option to select Opensuse,
there is no GRUB loader. But I can hit Esc. when booting which will
bring up a menu where I can select “Boot device options” then
“Opensuse-secureboot” This will bring up GRUB and allow me to boot into
either OS.
I’m just wondering if there is a way to either add Opensuse to the
windows loader (if there is one) or getting the computer to use GRUB.

I used grub-efi on the install and have set up secure booting in BIOS.
I’m happy to just install only Opensuse 13.2 when it comes out in a few
days, but I was wanting to try Photoshop for a bit.

The laptop is a HP Paviliong6 with an OEM windows 8

Any help would be great, thanks

Hi
Have you updated the system to 8.1 yet?

If you think you will be booting back into openSUSE, then run the
command;


efibootmgr

Then look for the openSUSE entry and run


efibootmgr -n <N>

Else press the esc key to boot to openSUSE or don’t to let it boot to
Windows.

If you post the output from;


efibootmgr -v

If there is an entry like;


Boot0000* Notebook Hard Drive	BIOS(2,0,01)....

Then it almost always appears to want to boot from /EFI/Boot which is
the windows efi file.

If it doesn’t then you may be able to reset the boot order, but need
the output from the -v command to advise.

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Thanks for that.

efibootmgr -v
BootCurrent: 0002
Timeout: 2 seconds
BootOrder: 3001,3002,2001,2002,2003
Boot0001* Windows Boot Manager  HD(2,c8800,82000,86c930ff-1a03-44b9-b74a-7e8501f2a896)File(\EFI\Microsoft\Boot\bootmgfw.efi)WINDOWS.........x...B.C.D.O.B.J.E.C.T.=.{.9.d.e.a.8.6.2.c.-.5.c.d.d.-.4.e.7.0.-.a.c.c.1.-.f.3.2.b.3.4.4.d.4.7.9.5.}....................
Boot0002* opensuse-secureboot   HD(2,c8800,82000,86c930ff-1a03-44b9-b74a-7e8501f2a896)File(\EFI\opensuse\shim.efi)
Boot2001* USB Drive (UEFI)      RC
Boot2002* Internal CD/DVD ROM Drive (UEFI)      RC
Boot3001* Internal Hard Disk    RC
Boot3002* Internal Hard Disk    RC]
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Hi
That’s similar to my HP 2000 Notebook (I got rid of windows 8 on it, it’s just single boot now), lets try changing the boot order;


efibootmgr -o 0002,3001,3002,2001,2002,2003

See it that changes the order and sticks…

To set openSUSE to boot next it would be;


efibootmgr -n 0002

As you can see the default (0003) is the HDD which is /EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi, You could make a copy of that file, then copy the openSUSE shim.efi (renaming it to bootx64.efi), but it’s a hack and may not survive a windows reboot or (not sure) a kernel update…

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efibootmgr -o 0002,3001,3002,2001,2002,2003

boot entry 2003 does not exist

so I tried with leaving out the ,2003

efibootmgr -o 0002,3001,3002,2001,2002
BootCurrent: 0002
Timeout: 2 seconds
BootOrder: 0002,3001,3002,2001,2002
Boot0001* Windows Boot Manager
Boot0002* opensuse-secureboot
Boot2001* USB Drive (UEFI)
Boot2002* Internal CD/DVD ROM Drive (UEFI)
Boot3001* Internal Hard Disk
Boot3002* Internal Hard Disk

This will still default to booting into windows.
After

efibootmgr -n 0002
BootNext: 0002
BootCurrent: 0002
Timeout: 2 seconds
BootOrder: 0002,3001,3002,2001,2002
Boot0001* Windows Boot Manager
Boot0002* opensuse-secureboot
Boot2001* USB Drive (UEFI)
Boot2002* Internal CD/DVD ROM Drive (UEFI)
Boot3001* Internal Hard Disk
Boot3002* Internal Hard Disk

It will boot into the GRUB loader. But after booting into windows it will go back to “normal”
I might just get rid of windows again, but Photoshop would have been good.
I’ll see if HP will give me a refund for my unused windows lol :slight_smile:

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Hi
Yes, that’s because it uses 3001, hmmmm maybe try setting it inactive


efibootmgr -b 3001 -A 3001

That should remove the * by the entry.

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I might just get rid of windows again, but Photoshop would have been good.

I am going to just assume you are familiar with and have used GIMP.

Personally, I have used both, but I like GIMP better (possibly mostly from the OSS philosophy, I suppose) and do not miss Photoshop. I get everything done the way I want it in GIMP.

I’ll see if HP will give me a refund for my unused windows lol :slight_smile:

Please do not hold your breath … we would hate to lose you!lol!

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Ok, that just booted into windows lol.
Is updating to windows 8 going to change anything?

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On Mon 03 Nov 2014 03:56:06 AM CST, asarge wrote:

malcolmlewis;2672521 Wrote:
> Hi
> Yes, that’s because it uses 3001, hmmmm maybe try setting it inactive
> >
Code:

> >
> efibootmgr -b 3001 -A 3001
>

> >
> That should remove the * by the entry.

Ok, that just booted into windows lol.
Is updating to windows 8 going to change anything?

Updating to windows 8? Are you on 7? Yes updating to windows 8 or 8.1
will screw with the install as it creates some temporary partition…

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Fraser_Bell, I do use GIMP. Along with Digicam for my photo management and Rawthrapee for the raw work.
I don’t mind GIMP, but just wanted to give some others a go
I have some friends using Photoshop and they are getting some great results. But that could be their skill level over mine lol.

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[QUOTE=malcolmlewis;2672541]Updating to windows 8? Are you on 7? Yes updating to windows 8 or 8.1
will screw with the install as it creates some temporary partition…

I have windows 8 at the moment. If I keep it on the computer I would update it to 8.1. But before I update to that, windows requires me to do other updates first. I don’t want to go through all that if I end up getting rid of windows.
The way Linux updates has spoilt me, windows updates are so annoying.

If I could just get windows to stop mucking up my my boot.

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Ahh, yes. Your answer does not surprise me, as I thought it might be the case, but I threw my comments in earlier just in case.

In any case, my own personal preference – in your shoes – would be to keep a dual-boot system running and to keep Photoshop around to use when the mood hits or the job at hand seems to call for it, since you already have both Windows and Photoshop.

Most of my machines are dual-boot or multi-boot with Windows as one of the OSes, but none are Win8, as they all came with pre-8 versions installed and I have had no inclination to change that.

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Run Windows in a VM Unless you want to play Windows games a VM is the perfect solution to the Windows problem and you can run most Windows productivity programs with out a problem LOL

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… but, there are a few situations where Windows is required, that will not work within a VM. BIOS updates, for example: The manufacturers seem to be heading in the direction where their BIOS updates can only be applied from within a pure-boot Windows installation.

BTW: That BIOS install problem is something else I think the EU should be taking a look at.

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Because all I have are recovery disks, I can’t install install it in a virtual machine.
I have a full version of XP that I have been using to update my GPS, but it doesn’t work in a vm as well as the latter versions of windows.
I might look around for someone wanting to sell a win7 disk and licence. It’s a shame, it seems silly when I have a few old oem windows that I cant use.
Someone at microsoft is laughing at me lol.

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You can get windows images for use in virtualbox for free with the “blessing” of ms here is the information:
http://pclosmag.com/html/issues/201309/page15.html
https://www.modern.ie/en-us/virtualization-tools#downloads

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Hi
They only last for 90 days…

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True but close to the end of the PCLinuxOS article they mention a recommended method for extending the 90 day period that comes out of Microsoft’s installation instructions pdf file.

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This is because the oem versions are only licensed for the machine they came installed on.

In your case, it would be perfectly legal to borrow an install disk of the same version of Windows that came on that particular machine, use it to install Windows, then change the key to match your key. You can use an online search like Duckduckgo or Google to find hundreds of posts with the instructions how to do that.

To stay perfectly legal, make certain you install the identical version of Windows, ie: If it is Windows 7 Basic, install Windows 7 Basic.

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I’ll have to see if I can find a copy and give it a try. I think windows in a virtual machine would be my best option.