dont give me lines, just tell me if it can generally be done

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I just insalled Suse cause I think Linux is now catching up on Windows and Windows 8 looks bad. After one day of work it was tiresome as i had to go to lvl 3 to remove ati driver but all else worked…So now I have some general questions…

  1. Why Linux looks less sharp and pleasent to the eye than win? Is it about the drivers or the desktop effects, or other things? When peopple post their desktop screenshots it looks much better than mine, I mean in terms of smoothness, contrast, slight 3D in menus, etc…

  2. Why my Libreoffice looks 10x worse than in win? It is tottaly unresponsive and 2D with black squares here and there, so ugly i use the notepad (or whatever its name is) for writing on that computer?

  3. The same question about the Firefox. Will changing the fonts help it to look better? Text is thin and small, opening and closing tabs not as smooth, etc

I guess you experienced peopple dont live with this, do you?

p.s I added all the recommended unofficiall and community repos.

Thanks! Sorry if this is in the wrong part of the forum, couldnt decide where to post it/

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Hi
It will be your graphics card driver, subpixel hinting and probably
use the same MS fonts…

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Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 11 (x86_64) Kernel 3.0.34-0.7-default
up 2 days 17:48, 4 users, load average: 0.51, 0.47, 0.41
CPU Intel i5 CPU M520@2.40GHz | Intel Arrandale GPU

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  1. You don’t say which desktop you have installed and how far you have configured it. The look of your system is nothing to do with Linux - which is the operating system. Have a look at openSUSE:Dreamopensuse - openSUSE

2 Someone else will have to answer that - mine looks the same as the Windows version.

  1. Ditto - I don’t use Firefox - I prefer Chrome but that depends on what you want to do on the Internet.

IMHO once you are aware of the much greater choices compared with other OS’s. you will make ones that satisfy you.

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On 07/31/2012 10:56 PM, NenadFromSerbia wrote:
> I added all the recommended unofficiall and community repos.

welcome new poster!!

i agree with Malcolm prescriptions…BUT, the line above could easily
lead to bad bad problems by accidentally installing conflicting software…

recommend you read and follow the paragraph beginning with “IMPORTANT”
in http://tinyurl.com/33qc9vu

my repos routinely look like this: http://paste.opensuse.org/83273901

and, when i am sure i know what i want from where i enable/refresh the
needed repo until i have the new package, and then disable it again…

ymmv

and last: please ask technical help questions one question per post,
with each in the correct forum and with a descriptive subject…that way
the various helpers can see what it is about without
opening/reading…i mean like the supreme network guru who has never
used (say) KDE won’t open a KDE question (and waste his time)…

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dd

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To answer your question…Yes, it can be done.

I must concur with the others, it does sound like a driver issue.

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ROTFLOL. Brilliant.

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On 2012-07-31 22:56, NenadFromSerbia wrote:
> p.s I added all the recommended unofficiall and community repos.

ALL? Really ALL? Then your system will be broken in notime…

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Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

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No. Not necessarily. If the know how to resolve dependencies, then you’ll be ok. It also depends on what they mean “all”. If they mean Packman, ati or nvidia vlc and libdvdcss repos, they should be fine. I seriously doubt they added “all” the repos beyond that. I myself have been known to have over 100 repos from the OBS and have a stable working system. I don’t recommend that for others, but it can be done if you know what your doing.

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On 08/02/2012 04:26 PM, Jonathan R wrote:
> I don’t recommend that for others, but it can be done if you
> know what your doing.

Carlos was not advising you, but rather one who just three days ago made
his second post here, and wrote “I just insalled Suse cause I think
Linux is now catching up on Windows”

so it is unlikely he has your ability to manage “all” repos, even if
that only means a few dozen.

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dd

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On 2012-08-02 18:15, dd@home.dk wrote:
> so it is unlikely he has your ability to manage “all” repos, even if that only means a few dozen.

Absolutely.

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Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

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I don’t get how you come to a few dozen. Dozen meaning 12, and few meaning 3 or more. So that’s a minimum of 36 repos. Whether you mean litteral or figurative it’s an exageration. Settle down. Let the user do as they want. More than likely they meant Packman, nvidia or ati, vlc, and libdvdcss. That’s 4 repos on top of OSS, Non-OSS, and update, which should be fine.

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On 2012-08-02 20:56, Jonathan R wrote:

> I don’t get how you come to a few dozen. Dozen meaning 12, and few
> meaning 3 or more. So that’s a minimum of 36 repos. Whether you mean
> litteral or figurative it’s an exageration. Settle down. Let the user do
> as they want. More than likely they meant Packman, nvidia or ati, vlc,
> and libdvdcss. That’s 4 repos on top of OSS, Non-OSS, and update, which
> should be fine.

He said “all”. To me that means hundreds - I have a programmer’s mind, I don’t read behind the
lines, I take expressions literally. >>:-)

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Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

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On 08/02/2012 08:56 PM, Jonathan R wrote:
> Settle down.

i’m so settled i’m about to nod off into sleep…

i’m not willing to guess what the OP meant by “I added all the
recommended unofficiall and community repos.” which i why i cautioned
the OP with proven sound advice for new-to-openSUSE folks…

i did not caution you, and don’t understand how your info about how
experienced you are in solving dependencies is helpful to this thread
or this OP…

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dd

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Then more questions are warranted, don’t you think? Not assumptions.

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On 2012-08-03 17:06, Jonathan R wrote:

> Then more questions are warranted, don’t you think? Not assumptions.

No, as the OP has disappeared and not posted a single post again.

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Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

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Do you like to assume? In this thread alone, you have made several. One of which is confirmed, but you didn’t know that at first. The one that is confirmed is the one about the OP responding. You had no way of knowing whether or not the OP would respond or not. That does not change the fact more questions should have been asked, instead of assumptions. Assumptions are not to replace propper etiquette and troubleshooting. Assumptions are good for fights, arguements and flame wars. We want to encourage people to post and ask questions, not fight. This behavior also drives users away.

I could argue the other points to this, but that’s not why I have taken these last several posts to respond to you and dd on thhis subject. I have allowed this thread to veer off to cover just this subject. A certain ammount of assumption is normal, but what happened here is out of that realm, and questions should have been asked.

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On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 22:38:07 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:

>> Then more questions are warranted, don’t you think? Not assumptions.
>
> No, as the OP has disappeared and not posted a single post again.

Solving a problem that the OP probably isn’t having doesn’t really help
the OP, though, does it?

I find in forum work (which I’ve been doing for decades) that when there
isn’t hard data to work with, getting clarification is necessary, and
when that isn’t forthcoming, moving on to something where there is
sufficient information is usually a more productive use of my time.

I find that it isn’t generally a good use of my time to make assumptions
about facts related to a problem. Some assumptions are useful - ie, that
they’re using “openSUSE 11.4” when they write “SUSE 11.4” or “OpenSuSE
11.4” - but others relating to the specific nature of their problem can
result in a lot of wasted time on everyone’s part.

Sometimes you work with the “best information available”, such as the
number of reports of a particular problem (this is used in bug triage a
lot to determine priorities for resource allocation), so sometimes
“facts” aren’t hard and fast. But in a case where someone has said
something like “I’ve subscribed to all the repositories”, there’s
ambiguity. Could the poster mean “the recommended repositories”?
Perhaps (actually, that’s very likely given what the OP actually wrote
[1]). Could he mean “all possible repositories”? Maybe, but highly
doubtful, just because of the sheer amount of time it would take to
actually accomplish that.

So a reasonable assumption here is that the OP means something other than
literally every possible repository. Could that be a bad assumption?
Sure, maybe he did actually do that - but probabilistically, the chances
of that actually being the case are quite small given that (a) the poster
appears to be new to Linux, and (b) getting a list of all possible
repositories would take more work than someone new to Linux is likely to
put in.

Jim

[1] “p.s I added all the recommended unofficiall and community repos.” -
that’s not the same as “all possible repos” by any stretch. Given the
general recommendation is the “big 4”, that’s most likely what they
meant, and probably a good assumption to start with.

Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C

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On 2012-08-04 23:15, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 22:38:07 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
>>> Then more questions are warranted, don’t you think? Not assumptions.
>>
>> No, as the OP has disappeared and not posted a single post again.
>
> Solving a problem that the OP probably isn’t having doesn’t really help
> the OP, though, does it?
>
> I find in forum work (which I’ve been doing for decades) that when there
> isn’t hard data to work with, getting clarification is necessary, and
> when that isn’t forthcoming, moving on to something where there is
> sufficient information is usually a more productive use of my time.
>
> I find that it isn’t generally a good use of my time to make assumptions
> about facts related to a problem. Some assumptions are useful - ie, that
> they’re using “openSUSE 11.4” when they write “SUSE 11.4” or “OpenSuSE
> 11.4” - but others relating to the specific nature of their problem can
> result in a lot of wasted time on everyone’s part.
>
> Sometimes you work with the “best information available”, such as the
> number of reports of a particular problem (this is used in bug triage a
> lot to determine priorities for resource allocation), so sometimes
> “facts” aren’t hard and fast. But in a case where someone has said
> something like “I’ve subscribed to all the repositories”, there’s
> ambiguity. Could the poster mean “the recommended repositories”?
> Perhaps (actually, that’s very likely given what the OP actually wrote
> [1]). Could he mean “all possible repositories”? Maybe, but highly
> doubtful, just because of the sheer amount of time it would take to
> actually accomplish that.
>
> So a reasonable assumption here is that the OP means something other than
> literally every possible repository. Could that be a bad assumption?
> Sure, maybe he did actually do that - but probabilistically, the chances
> of that actually being the case are quite small given that (a) the poster
> appears to be new to Linux, and (b) getting a list of all possible
> repositories would take more work than someone new to Linux is likely to
> put in.
>
> Jim
>
> [1] “p.s I added all the recommended unofficiall and community repos.” -
> that’s not the same as “all possible repos” by any stretch. Given the
> general recommendation is the “big 4”, that’s most likely what they
> meant, and probably a good assumption to start with.

You try to read a lot out of a phrase and a comment on a phrase. He said all, and I made a
joking comment to push him to explain himself. Instead we enter an absurd debate on the meaning
of words and intentions.

All these speaches are a waste of time, as the OP has not responded in days.

(and yes, learning how many and which repos the OP use is crucial to answering his questions)

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Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

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On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 02:03:06 +0000, Carlos E. R. wrote:

>> [1] “p.s I added all the recommended unofficiall and community repos.”
>> -
>> that’s not the same as “all possible repos” by any stretch. Given the
>> general recommendation is the “big 4”, that’s most likely what they
>> meant, and probably a good assumption to start with.
>
> You try to read a lot out of a phrase and a comment on a phrase. He said
> all, and I made a joking comment to push him to explain himself. Instead
> we enter an absurd debate on the meaning of words and intentions.

That cuts both ways, Carlos. You said he said “all”, but that’s not
actually what he said. Then you proceeded to debate with people who said
“well, no, that’s not what he said”. But actually, he didn’t say “all”,
unless you take one word completely out of the context of “recommended
unofficial and community repos” - that idea that it was all the
“recommended unofficial and community repos” is actually an important
point to understanding what the OP wrote.

> All these speaches are a waste of time, as the OP has not responded in
> days.

And could be avoided alltogether by avoiding making bad/incorrect
assumptions rather than just waiting for an answer, or just letting it go
when someone corrected you.

But you have a habit of wanting to debate things ad nauseum rather than
just walking away from it. Then when you encounter someone like me (who
also has the habit of wanting to debate things ad nauseum rather than
just walking away from it), we end up wasting a lot of our time.

> (and yes, learning how many and which repos the OP use is crucial to
> answering his questions)

Absolutely. Assuming “all” means “every repo ever created” is a bad
assumption. At the very least, if you’re making a joke about it (and
given that this is the general-chit-chat forum, that’s of course
perfectly reasonable to do), some indication that you’re not being
serious would avoid any misunderstandings and unnecessary debates. :slight_smile:

Jim

Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C