Dolphin: What is the point of a reload button that does nothing?

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#1

Many times when I create a file or folder from an application, Dolphin
fails to show it automatically. I click on the reload button and it still
doesn’t show it. I have to use “find files/folders” to show the new file/
folder. It really shouldn’t be necessary to logoff and logon just in
order to refresh Dolphin.

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Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. E-mail: change boy to man
openSUSE 11.4; KDE 4.6.00; AMD Athlon X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+;
Video: Radeon HD 2400 Pro; Sound: MCP61 HDA (nVidia); Wireless: BCM4318

#2

I don’t see this.
I’m using Gnome ATM, but I just switched to check in kde and it’s fine

#3

your system is broken…that is just not something i can reproduce
here…i mean, i never have to even click reload…instead, i right
click, pick “Create New” from the popup menu and there it is…every time…

move, i have not seen another report with your complaint…

so, i wonder what is going on there which is unlike the thousands of
others…

lets start with this:

-where did you get your install media?

-did you do this prior to install http://tinyurl.com/2ebcf27 and receive
no errors?

-did you subsequently have any errors during install?

-did you install while connected to the internet and did you allow the
install to preform the updates during install?

-if not, have you run Online Update?

-is this Dolphin the only problem you have had since initial install? if
not, during the fixing did you have any crashes?

-what is your experience level with Linux in general and openSUSE in
particular? i ask because i wonder if you have installed any software
and how you generally do that…and, i ask you to please show us the
output of entering the following into a terminal


zypper lr -d

and copy/paste the output back to this thread using the instructions
here: http://goo.gl/i3wnr

from there, maybe we can begin to learn why your system is doing
something it shouldn’t be doing…

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[NNTP via openSUSE 11.3 + KDE4.5.5 + Thunderbird3.1.8]
Maybe the developers are not here because they are so busy fixing these>
http://tinyurl.com/392jnb

#4

On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:36:02 +0000, caf4926 wrote:

> I don’t see this.
> I’m using Gnome ATM, but I just switched to check in kde and it’s fine

I’ve been having this trouble to a small extent ever since switching to
KDE4 - probably did that at 4.2 as earlier versions were barely beta -
though occurrences of the problem seem to have become more frequent
recently. Had to switch to Dolphin then as Konqueror was too dangerous.

I might try Gnome again myself as KDE seems to be approaching - has
reached? - bloatware status. Since 11.4, I’ve had several “black screens
of death” incidents as memory, swap, and cpu use has climbed. Be
interesting to see if they still occur under Gnome.

–
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. E-mail: change boy to man
openSUSE 11.4; KDE 4.6.00; AMD Athlon X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+;
Video: Radeon HD 2400 Pro; Sound: MCP61 HDA (nVidia); Wireless: BCM4318

#5

@Cloddy: I’ve seen these things, most of the time it was enough to “rebuild” the desktop appearance by removing the plasma config files.

I don’t see the Dolphin problem here , not on machines I manage. Does F5 also not work?

#6

I’ve been experiencing this problem with Dolphin for years although it
has only very recently become a major irritant. This has involved
numerous clean installs of various releases of openSUSE and has spread
across a change from ext3 to ext4.

Install media is Verbatim DVD+RW, I’ve done media checks - all
successful, had no install errors. Machine is not wired to internet so
updates are always run immediately after installation and wireless has
been set up.

Since installing 11.4, the machine is seeming a little arthritic and, if
left on for two or three days it will usually freeze screen, mouse and
keyboard and require a hard reboot.

I’ve been using SuSE since about release 7 but that doesn’t mean that I’m
experienced. :wink:

Software always installed via YAST.

Haven’t included the list of repos as the problem shows up when only the
default ones are there from the initial installation.

–
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. E-mail: change boy to man
openSUSE 11.4; KDE 4.6.00; AMD Athlon X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+;
Video: Radeon HD 2400 Pro; Sound: MCP61 HDA (nVidia); Wireless: BCM4318

#7

Graham,

This sure is odd. When you say fresh install, does that include a new /home, with no crud from some old kde3 system?

#8

On 04/10/2011 09:32 PM, Graham Peter Davis wrote:
> Haven’t included the list of repos as the problem shows up when only the
> default ones are there from the initial installation.

i wish to, but i can’t help you because i can’t duplicate your problem,
and neither can anyone i know of…

so, please explain exactly what you do and how you do it to produce
this error…then, maybe someone can find a way to help…

like:

do you only have the problem when running Dolphin as a regular user?
or, only when using Dolphin as root?

do the newly created folders/files always appear if created in your
/home, but never if created outside your /home ? (or vice versa)

or, do they always appear on your machine, but never on a machine
reachable via the net, in and in another town?

or, they always appear on your USB attached drive, but never on your
internal hard drive?

or, they always appear on a windows machine on your network, but never
on your USB stick… or always on a networked Mac…

or always on Vista and never on Win7

always on sda1 but never on sdb5 ?

in short: explain the “many times” in your initial post

or, make a new partition, install 11.4 on it from a perfect media
checked iso, never add anything to the system other than by YaST or
zypper from these four repos only: oss, non-oss, update and packman…

and tell me if you see the problem again.

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CAVEAT: http://is.gd/bpoMD
[NNTP via openSUSE 11.3 + KDE4.5.5 + Thunderbird3.1.8]
Maybe the developers are not here because they are so busy fixing these>
http://tinyurl.com/392jnb

#9

I sometimes see this problem when files are created outside dolphin or even copied with dolphin. I have a “clean” 11.3 X86-64 installation with KDE. When I say clean I did not delete all the directories starting with . in my home directory. 3 or 4 days ago I was testing an external USB disk and used dolphin to copy a directory tree containing about 12 GB of photos. Dolphin would not display any of the copied files until it was stopped and restarted. I do get problems with dolphin not displaying files created by application. This problem is intermittent but annoying. I suspect that this is a caching or memory overwrite problem

I think that I also saw this problem with 11.1 which was also a “clean” install. It appears to me that the KDE project is more interested in producing clever graphics than producing a stable and working system. This is why I now use firefox and thunderbird and lightning. I am about to start looking at a replacement for dolphin

#10

On 04/11/2011 12:06 AM, vindevienne wrote:
>
> I sometimes see this problem … This problem is intermittent

if either of you can find a reproducible problem, then you should file a
bug…

see, its relatively easy to find a reproducible problem–just the next
time it happens do the same thing again, and if it happens again and
again file a bug…

> It appears to me that the KDE project is more interested in
> producing clever graphics than producing a stable and working system.

i agree

> This is why I now use firefox and thunderbird and lightning.

use what works for you, i do

> I am about to start looking at a replacement for dolphin

there are tons of options, but i can’t imagine anything better than
Konqueror in the GUI and Midnight Commander in the CLI…

–
CAVEAT: http://is.gd/bpoMD
[NNTP via openSUSE 11.3 + KDE4.5.5 + Thunderbird3.1.8]
Maybe the developers are not here because they are so busy fixing these>
http://tinyurl.com/392jnb

#11

On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:06:02 +0000, caf4926 wrote:

> Graham,
>
> This sure is odd. When you say fresh install, does that include a new
> /home, with no crud from some old kde3 system?

The /home partition remains unchanged. I have wondered whether the
particular user has some “crud” of some sort and have set up a new user
and will try and copy across only that which I really need.

–
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. E-mail: change boy to man
openSUSE 11.4; KDE 4.6.00; AMD Athlon X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+;
Video: Radeon HD 2400 Pro; Sound: MCP61 HDA (nVidia); Wireless: BCM4318

#12

On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:02:55 +0000, DenverD wrote:

> so, please explain exactly what you do and how you do it to produce
> this error…then, maybe someone can find a way to help…

I’ve only seen the problem when running as a regular user, not in root or
a test user but I’m only ever in them for a short time.

Creating, deleting, copying and then viewing files/folders within Dolphin
isn’t a problem. The trouble arises when -
(1) saving a new file from an application, either to an existing folder
or by creating a new folder and saving to it.
(2) an application automatically creates new files/folders. For instance,
I’ve just been re-trying Evolution after deleting old files/folders from
earlier trials. After running it, no new files showed up on Dolphin, even
after reload, but they were there in “find files/folders”. I repeated the
experiment this morning and, of course, all the new files appeared OK in
Dolphin.

I’ve only seen the problem on the /home folder and for the one user.
However, the /home folder has more than once been moved from one part of
the disk to another and in conjunction with one of the moves was
reformatted as ext4. Through all of the various existences of /home, and
for several openSUSE releases, this problem has been popping up. The only
thing common throughout is the user so my next move will be to have a
prolonged run as a new user. The account needs a good spring-clean so
this looks like a good time to do it.

–
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. E-mail: change boy to man
openSUSE 11.4; KDE 4.6.00; AMD Athlon X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+;
Video: Radeon HD 2400 Pro; Sound: MCP61 HDA (nVidia); Wireless: BCM4318

#13

My 2 cents worth:

I can confirm that I’ve seen the very same behaviors described by both Cloddy and vindevienne on an 11.4/KDE4.6 PC loaded fresh from DVD with only /home reused from previous 11.2. I can also confirm that I never saw this issue with 11.0, 11.1 or 11.2

Until now I’ve not yet reported it though, as it only occurs sporadically, and I can not yet find any pattern to when it happens or what’s required to get the new files to promptly display in Dolphin. When I did see the issue F5 did the trick couple of times, but a couple of other times I had to logout/login. (???)