I recently took some radical actions. I did this partly because I was curious, and partly out of frustration.
I expressed my frustration about YaST and Sax2 in another thread. I have been using SUSE since at least 9.3. YaST is a good tool to get you started, but any more than that and it gets in the way. So as I said, partly out of curiosity, and partly cause I am frustrated, I took an extreme action. I uninstalled all of YaST, Sax2 and zypp. Since I use smart, this isn’t to much of a concern as far as the package management. As far as the other tools, I can either do it by hand, or find another set of tools that works the way I want.
Hi Jonathan R.
First my apology. I can’t really resist to trow some jokes:) Call me idiot:cool:
My opinion is it still suse It still carry’s the green gecko logo without yast.
You are using smart and I understand you with that, it is your pet project.
I recently took some radical actions. I did this partly because I was curious, and partly out of frustration.
I expressed my frustration about YaST and Sax2 in another thread. I have been using SUSE since at least 9.3. YaST is a good tool to get you started, but any more than that and it gets in the way. So as I said, partly out of curiosity, and partly cause I am frustrated, I took an extreme action. I uninstalled all of YaST, Sax2 and zypp. Since I use smart, this isn’t to much of a concern as far as the package management. As far as the other tools, I can either do it by hand, or find another set of tools that works the way I want.
With some of the inconsistencies and problems that many new users experience with using zypper, yast, and opensuseupdater, I have been tempted to encourage others to use smart from time to time.
Jonathan R wrote:
> I recently took some radical actions. I did this partly because I was
> curious, and partly out of frustration.
>
> I expressed my frustration about YaST and Sax2 in another thread. I
> have been using SUSE since at least 9.3. YaST is a good tool to get you
> started, but any more than that and it gets in the way. So as I said,
> partly out of curiosity, and partly cause I am frustrated, I took an
> extreme action. I uninstalled all of YaST, Sax2 and zypp. Since I use
> smart, this isn’t to much of a concern as far as the package management.
> As far as the other tools, I can either do it by hand, or find another
> set of tools that works the way I want.
>
>
Nope, just going back to the SuSE roots when it was the German version
of Slackware. You just added smart as a package manager instead of
something like swaret.
Ah, Linux experts maintain their systems using vim. Linux gurus maintain their systems using ed. And Linux deities maintain their systems using cat. lol!
> With some of the inconsistencies and problems that many new users
> experience with using zypper, yast, and opensuseupdater, I have been
> tempted to encourage others to use smart from time to time.
Every problem I’ve ever had with package management had nothing to do with
YaST. It always ends up being a problem in the repo. The ONLY exception
was the rubbish that came with OS10.1.
why did you uninstall Yast completely? Back in the dark ages when Novell wanted us to use the RedCarpet/Zen garbage, I just ignored it and used smart. The rest of Yast worked fine.
I remember the days of ximian’s red-carpet. I actually used it before I started playing with smart. As to YaST…working fine is a matter of perspective.
I loathe apparmor. I hate Sax2, the SuSEFirewall, of course the Software Manager, and the rest of the tools barely get by. Like I said, their ok to start with, but that’s about it. I guess my complaint is three fold.
Not enough configuration options. I really can’t configure my system with the tools the way I want, with out having to edit files any way, which defeats the purpose of the tools.
Poor documentation. The apparmor documentation is just horrid. The SuSEFirewall is no better. Just to name a couple.
The tools do such a basic job with the configuration, that should you need to make adjustments, which is often, you have to either edit config file with an editor, or use other non-SuSE tools anyway. Alsaconfig comes to mind.
I haven’t had any issues with sound, but from helping others, I know this to be the case. If you have to rely on other tools to do correctly what the SuSE tools should have done correctly to begin with, then what’s the point of the SuSE tools? Just give me a centralized place where I can access X --configure, alsaconf, cups, software, and so on. The advantage to doing it this way is…gues what? A standard, uniform, compliant Linux system.
People have suggested I do LFS, but I don’t want to do that yet. Waaaaaaaaay to time consuming. I’d rather work with what I have, and make it what I want.
