Did openSUSE-11.1 Updates to Pulse Audio in Gnome improve audio functionality?

I’m thinking of installing openSUSE-11.1 Gnome on a Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo 7400M laptop because the wireless in Gnome is much more user friendly than KDE3/KDE4 in openSUSE-11.1. The idea is to give this laptop to my 84-year old mother and things need to ‘just work’ for her (she currently has a desktop running openSUSE-11.1 KDE3 that uses a WIRED interface to the web).

I refuse to update this laptop to openSUSE-11.2 nor 11.3 (nor other recent distributions) because every kernel update after the 2.6.27 kernel has broken the Intel i855GM graphics drivers for that laptop. There are many bug reports and none have fixed the problem for this Fujitsu-Siemens implementation of the i855GM graphics.

Hence I am looking at Gnome.

I booted the laptop to a Gnome openSUSE-11.1 liveCD and wireless is easy and works great. But audio is very very VERY bad. It is incredibly user unfriendly and it does NOT work well. I assume that is because pulse audio in openSUSE-11.1 was very immature.

I note these updated packages in the openSUSE-11.1 update repository:



 libpulse-browse0-0.9.12_0.9.14-9.6_2.2.1.i586.delta.rpm
 libpulse-browse0-0.9.12_0.9.14-9.6_2.3.1.i586.delta.rpm
 libpulse-browse0-0.9.14-2.2.1.i586.rpm
 libpulse-browse0-0.9.14-2.2.1_2.3.1.i586.delta.rpm
 libpulse-browse0-0.9.14-2.3.1.i586.rpm
 libpulse-devel-0.9.12_0.9.14-9.6_2.2.1.i586.delta.rpm
 libpulse-devel-0.9.12_0.9.14-9.6_2.3.1.i586.delta.rpm
 libpulse-devel-0.9.14-2.2.1.i586.rpm
 libpulse-devel-0.9.14-2.2.1_2.3.1.i586.delta.rpm
 libpulse-devel-0.9.14-2.3.1.i586.rpm
 libpulse-mainloop-glib0-0.9.12_0.9.14-9.6_2.2.1.i586.delta.rpm
 libpulse-mainloop-glib0-0.9.12_0.9.14-9.6_2.3.1.i586.delta.rpm
 libpulse-mainloop-glib0-0.9.14-2.2.1.i586.rpm
 libpulse-mainloop-glib0-0.9.14-2.2.1_2.3.1.i586.delta.rpm
 libpulse-mainloop-glib0-0.9.14-2.3.1.i586.rpm
 libpulse0-0.9.12_0.9.14-9.6_2.2.1.i586.delta.rpm
 libpulse0-0.9.12_0.9.14-9.6_2.3.1.i586.delta.rpm
 libpulse0-0.9.14-2.2.1.i586.rpm
 libpulse0-0.9.14-2.2.1_2.3.1.i586.delta.rpm
 libpulse0-0.9.14-2.3.1.i586.rpm
 pulseaudio-0.9.12_0.9.14-9.6_2.2.1.i586.delta.rpm
 pulseaudio-0.9.12_0.9.14-9.6_2.3.1.i586.delta.rpm
 pulseaudio-0.9.14-2.2.1.i586.rpm
 pulseaudio-0.9.14-2.2.1_2.3.1.i586.delta.rpm
 pulseaudio-0.9.14-2.3.1.i586.rpm
 pulseaudio-esound-compat-0.9.12_0.9.14-9.6_2.2.1.i586.delta.rpm
 pulseaudio-esound-compat-0.9.12_0.9.14-9.6_2.3.1.i586.delta.rpm
 pulseaudio-esound-compat-0.9.14-2.2.1.i586.rpm
 pulseaudio-esound-compat-0.9.14-2.2.1_2.3.1.i586.delta.rpm
 pulseaudio-esound-compat-0.9.14-2.3.1.i586.rpm
 pulseaudio-lang-0.9.14-2.2.1.i586.rpm
 pulseaudio-lang-0.9.14-2.2.1_2.3.1.i586.delta.rpm
 pulseaudio-lang-0.9.14-2.3.1.i586.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-bluetooth-0.9.14-2.2.1.i586.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-bluetooth-0.9.14-2.2.1_2.3.1.i586.delta.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-bluetooth-0.9.14-2.3.1.i586.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-gconf-0.9.12_0.9.14-9.6_2.2.1.i586.delta.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-gconf-0.9.12_0.9.14-9.6_2.3.1.i586.delta.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-gconf-0.9.14-2.2.1.i586.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-gconf-0.9.14-2.2.1_2.3.1.i586.delta.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-gconf-0.9.14-2.3.1.i586.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-jack-0.9.12_0.9.14-9.6_2.2.1.i586.delta.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-jack-0.9.12_0.9.14-9.6_2.3.1.i586.delta.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-jack-0.9.14-2.2.1.i586.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-jack-0.9.14-2.2.1_2.3.1.i586.delta.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-jack-0.9.14-2.3.1.i586.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-lirc-0.9.12_0.9.14-9.6_2.2.1.i586.delta.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-lirc-0.9.12_0.9.14-9.6_2.3.1.i586.delta.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-lirc-0.9.14-2.2.1.i586.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-lirc-0.9.14-2.2.1_2.3.1.i586.delta.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-lirc-0.9.14-2.3.1.i586.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-x11-0.9.12_0.9.14-9.6_2.2.1.i586.delta.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-x11-0.9.12_0.9.14-9.6_2.3.1.i586.delta.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-x11-0.9.14-2.2.1.i586.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-x11-0.9.14-2.2.1_2.3.1.i586.delta.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-x11-0.9.14-2.3.1.i586.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-zeroconf-0.9.12_0.9.14-9.6_2.2.1.i586.delta.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-zeroconf-0.9.12_0.9.14-9.6_2.3.1.i586.delta.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-zeroconf-0.9.14-2.2.1.i586.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-zeroconf-0.9.14-2.2.1_2.3.1.i586.delta.rpm
 pulseaudio-module-zeroconf-0.9.14-2.3.1.i586.rpm
 pulseaudio-utils-0.9.12_0.9.14-9.6_2.2.1.i586.delta.rpm
 pulseaudio-utils-0.9.12_0.9.14-9.6_2.3.1.i586.delta.rpm
 pulseaudio-utils-0.9.14-2.2.1.i586.rpm
 pulseaudio-utils-0.9.14-2.2.1_2.3.1.i586.delta.rpm
 pulseaudio-utils-0.9.14-2.3.1.i586.rpm
 

So my question is, did the updates to pulse audio (in the openSUSE-11.1 update repository) fix the pulse audio situation? Are there ANY helpful views on this?

Currently my wife is using this laptop with KDE-4.4.4 (and openSUSE-11.1) so I can’t just install Gnome and play with it without taking the laptop away from her for a while (note the hard drive is too small for a dual boot of KDE/Gnome), although I’m thinking now that is possibly the only way I can find my answer. :frowning:

oldcpu wrote:

> I’m thinking of installing openSUSE-11.1 Gnome on a Fujitsu-Siemens
> Amilo 7400M laptop

> I refuse to update this laptop to openSUSE-11.2 nor 11.3 (nor other
> recent distributions) because every kernel update after the 2.6.27
> kernel has broken the Intel i855GM graphics drivers for that laptop.

You might consider another distro with a longer lifespan than opensuse 11.1.
Updates for 11.1 will end in about 2 months.

Chris Maaskant

Indeed!

I have thought about this. But I see the time, effort, and remote support complexities of that approach too demanding on my time.

In the end I decided I will keep a version of openSUSE 11.1 on the laptop (that we plan to give to my mother, if she will accept it) . Support for 11.1 will stop from SuSE-GmbH, but my mother is not a power user. She uses the PC to surf, read emails, and play multimedia and the odd game (mainly solitaire). She has 2 firewalls (her apartment router and the openSUSE-11.1 firewall) to protect her, and Linux is NOT a big target to the hackers of the world.

Plus she has a desktop running 11.1 that I plan to update to 11.3 (although if she likes the laptop she may dump the desktop).

I finally got my wife’s approval to have 100% use of the Fujitsu-Siemens laptop (and she gets to use our newer Dell Studio 1537 laptop in turn). That gives me about 2.5 weeks to get ready before my flight to North America. I’m going to remove openSUSE-11.1 KDE-4.4.4 (which is on the laptop now) and replace it with openSUSE-11.1 Gnome and see if I can tune the audio with pulse, and then somehow set it up so that it can’t get messed up too badly by my mother.

After this November-2010 visit, I may have another visit to North America, either around Sep-2011 or worst case July-2012. Maybe at that time we can give my mother my Dell Studio-1537 laptop.

oldcpu wrote:

>
> Chris Maaskant;2239603 Wrote:
>> You might consider another distro with a longer lifespan than opensuse
>> 11.1. Updates for 11.1 will end in about 2 months.
> Indeed!
>
> I have thought about this. But I see the time, effort, and remote
> support complexities of that approach too demanding on my time.
>

How about removing the Intel i855GM graphics driver/module from the kernel
in 11.3 and build the old driver as a loadable module?
Assuming the driver/module is build in and it’s the new driver that gives
problems?
I have zero experience with intel graphics, i allways had nvidia.

Anyway, i did some searching for a alternate distro with a longer lifespan
and i’ll think you’ll end up with debian or ubuntu 8.04 LTS.
Debian, known for it’s stability, won’t, once setup correctly, give you any
headaches.

Chris Maaskant

Chris Maaskant wrote:

> Debian, known for it’s stability, won’t, once setup correctly, give you
> any headaches.

I forgot to add, that if you build the same system as a virtual machine on
your own machine you could help you mother out if she gets into trouble.

Chris Maaskant

That assumes the problem (that was introduced immediately after 2.6.27 kernel) is only in the Intel driver kernel module. From what I have read that is not likely the case (the problem may lay elsewhere).

Thanks, but neither Debian nor Ubuntu interest me. I refuse to install Ubuntu because of a major philosophical disagreement with their upstream policy for fixing software. In addition, Debian based distributions just do not interest me. I would rather use an out of date openSUSE-11.1 version for the use that is planned.

But even though I don’t like the suggestions, I appreciate your effort/replies and your taking the time to consider this.

My wife finally agreed to let me use her Fujitsu-Siemens laptop full time (and she can use my significantly newer Dell Studio 1537 in lieu). So I installed Gnome on openSUSE-11.1 on this laptop with a clean install (removing KDE-4.4.4) and I have both the wireless and audio working (albeit wireless is not yet tuned to my satisfaction).

I installed all the pulse audio updates for Gnome on openSUSE-11.1, and I can say the audio with those updates works SIGNIFICANTLY superior to the audio on the openSUSE-11.1 Gnome liveCD. … This could even change my view wrt Gnome audio.

I’m still looking for help on tuning the wireless (trying to minimize the need for a wlan password prompt at every boot for my mother’s home LAN). I am pursing that question in this thread: Any openSUSE-11.1 Gnome users using wireless?