I note that now and then a question regarding Evergreen is going to any subforum which may seem appropriate. So I asked myself: would it be desirable to have a dedicated subforum for Evergreen questions?
I do not strongly suggest to have one, but would rather like to get your opinions.
I’m pretty sure the traffic won’t warrant it.
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 14:16:03 +0000, caf4926 wrote:
> I’m pretty sure the traffic won’t warrant it.
I would tend to agree.
Jim
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Then if you really think this, why some admins here are all so bothered about people using Evergreen and post.
I think there are more people out there using it than you think But since they do not even find a subforum they may opt not to post. I am using Evergreen and am a bit tired of people that feel they have to tell me that it is not enough to write 11.1 but come to “tell” me that the edition is “out of support”. I know that. We all know that. The support is called now Evergreen, no? Of course if threads with Evergreen in the first line are well accepted then we do not need this. Are they well accepted?
Hi
Just a thought, maybe you would like to ask the Evergreen maintainer(s)
if they are willing to ensure some presence in the forum (Just like
Greg KH for Tumbleweed) and it may help your request?
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On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 19:06:02 +0000, stakanov wrote:
> Then if you really think this, why some admins here are all so bothered
> about people using Evergreen and post.
> I think there are more people out there using it than you think But
> since they do not even find a subforum they may opt not to post. I am
> using Evergreen and am a bit tired of people that feel they have to tell
> me that it is not enough to write 11.1 but come to “tell” me that the
> edition is “out of support”. I know that. We all know that. The support
> is called now Evergreen, no? Of course if threads with Evergreen in the
> first line are well accepted then we do not need this. Are they well
> accepted?
Generally, specifying that you’re using Evergreen should alleviate that.
Note that it’s not forum staff that tend to say “11.1 is out of support”,
but general membership that’s helping people out who will point out that
11.1 (as 11.1, not as evergreen) is no longer receiving security updates
and is out of support. That’s to help people who are running an old
version know that they should update - but a valid update path is
Evergreen, as well as 11.4 or 12.1.
As Malcolm said, though, if someone who’s involved in maintaining
Evergreen were to volunteer to help out, that would make a stronger case
for a separate forum for Evergreen. It’s important to balance the number
of forums with the traffic generated, and if there isn’t a lot of
traffic, that can lead people to think that the topic of that
underutilised forum isn’t important - which means they’ll look elsewhere
for that kind of LTS version.
Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
This is a good idea Malcom. Effectively there was also the doubt out there if it wouldn’t be good to have a reliable “number” about the machines making use of the repos. I do not know how difficult this is. Personally, having Evergreen is for me not a “typical question” as for probably the majority of the Evergreen users, of using it for long term support for a server. First it was to delay the adoption of KDE4, (that was the original motivation), but then I saw how much you learn when you are forced to do things by CLI and ./configure. And I liked it so much that I begin to take a totally different taste on this (reading things like “linux from scratch” to get more hold on this). At the end, I am convinced that some of the request for evergreen from time to time are useful also for the normal user…when s(he) faces a similar problem in the future.
As Malcolm said, though, if someone who’s involved in maintaining
Evergreen were to volunteer to help out, that would make a stronger case
for a separate forum for Evergreen. It’s important to balance the number
of forums with the traffic generated, and if there isn’t a lot of
traffic, that can lead people to think that the topic of that
underutilised forum isn’t important - which means they’ll look elsewhere
for that kind of LTS version.
Jim
Point taken. If I wouldn’t be that handicapped I would go volunteer. But unfortunately I am quite in tough waters with my preparation and not a “maintainer”. That is actually a pity. Will have to work harder on my knowledge, so I can give a hand in the future. (i admit it is real fun, but also that it requires sound preparation). 
> ask the Evergreen maintainer(s) if they are willing to ensure some presence in the forum
i think that is a great idea…i mean, folks come here asking how to do
this or that on 11.1 and 11.2 and (as far as i know) there are very
few helpers here who maintain a working copy of either and are therefore
at a great disadvantage trying to duplicate a problem or formulate
rational answers to the questions posed…
stuff changes…lots of stuff…maybe everyone else can, but i find it
pretty difficult to remember what changed with which version…not the
least of which is what the button that needs to be pressed was named
(“Accept” or “OK” or “Next” or) and was there an Xorg.conf, a SAX2, and
remind me again how that SAX worked . . . and that is just the
beginning…the changes are stunning!
as far as i am concerned i can’t properly help those folks who wish to
not run supported software. (period)
if other here can, and wish to then that is fine and dandy…still,
everyone who asks for help with a non-supported version should be urged
to move up or switch to Evergreen. (period)
we should not be in the business of encouraging folks to keep systems
of unknown security capability on the net. (period)
BUT, if some small portion of “the community” wish to keep 11.1, 11.2
and soon 11.3 alive, then that same portion of the community should be
willing to keep old software running on their machines and answer
all questions posed by the folks who enjoy antique operating systems on
antique systems…
i could be wrong, but i think that small portion of the community
already agree with me and therefor wrote on their wiki page
<http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Evergreen#Communication>:
“Communication currently happens via the mailing list evergreen” [with
the evergreen linked to:
<http://lists.rosenauer.org/mailman/listinfo/evergreen>]
such seems perfectly aligned with other special projects like Education,
Medical and others i’m probably not aware of…
on the other hand, the Tumbleweed forum provides a focused place for
non-mailing list savvy folks to ask…does there need to be such for
Evergreen? i do not know, but my gut feel is NO…because the mechanism
for communications are already set up–folks just need to use it…
and, why should the community wish to encourage folks adverse to mailing
list to run old software forever…
now i have a question: for how long will these old versions hang around?
will folks still expect these fora to answer questions on 11.1 when 99%
of the folks here are on 14.3 or later?
just my three cents worth. ymmv
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