Commentary on NNTP issues (Was [Re: Adios Windows...])

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:40:04 +0000, Rikishi 42 wrote:

>>> I’d be happy even with the NNTP description field showing the web
>>> forum names - pan will show that, so that would be sufficient for me.
>>
>> I’ll have to research that a bit, but it sounds very doable.
>
> I don’t understand his question, nor your answer. Aren’t the NNTP group
> names ‘the same’ as the Web Forum names ?
>
> Didn’t someone allready post an example of Forum names, with the NNTP
> group names beside them, to show how difficult it was to miss the link?
>
> Or are you talking about something completely different? In that case,
> what am I missing?

Something different. NNTP supports the addition of a descriptive comment
on a per-group basis.

Right now, I’m posting in opensuse.org.feedback.forums.comments-
suggestions. If one of the mods moves this to the Soapbox forum, if I’m
not subscribed to it, I might not know that it’s the
opensuse.org.community.soapbox group. Sometimes the mapping may be less
intuitive (I honestly don’t know) - but if the description field contains
the web forum name, that problem goes away.

Jim

On 2008-07-21, Jim Henderson <Jim.Henderson@SysOps.NSC> wrote:

>> Or are you talking about something completely different? In that case,
>> what am I missing?
>
> Something different. NNTP supports the addition of a descriptive comment
> on a per-group basis.

OK, got it.

That field is, however, usually not visible beyond the subscribtion panel.
And I’ve even used newsreader that didn’t ever show it.

BTW, which are you using ?


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On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:40:04 +0000, Rikishi 42 wrote:

> On 2008-07-21, Jim Henderson <Jim.Henderson@SysOps.NSC> wrote:
>
>>> Or are you talking about something completely different? In that case,
>>> what am I missing?
>>
>> Something different. NNTP supports the addition of a descriptive
>> comment on a per-group basis.
>
> OK, got it.
>
> That field is, however, usually not visible beyond the subscribtion
> panel. And I’ve even used newsreader that didn’t ever show it.

Well, sure, various newsreaders will implement or not implement things
that they want; that’s the nature of software development. :slight_smile:

> BTW, which are you using ?

I use pan myself. Oddly enough, I just noticed that it doesn’t include
the description fields, so I’m going to have to submit a bug on that.
The older version did this, and I found it quite useful.

Jim

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:13:16 GMT
Jim Henderson <Jim.Henderson@SysOps.NSC> wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:40:04 +0000, Rikishi 42 wrote:
>
> > On 2008-07-21, Jim Henderson <Jim.Henderson@SysOps.NSC> wrote:
> >
> >>> Or are you talking about something completely different? In that
> >>> case, what am I missing?
> >>
> >> Something different. NNTP supports the addition of a descriptive
> >> comment on a per-group basis.
> >
> > OK, got it.
> >
> > That field is, however, usually not visible beyond the subscribtion
> > panel. And I’ve even used newsreader that didn’t ever show it.
>
> Well, sure, various newsreaders will implement or not implement
> things that they want; that’s the nature of software development. :slight_smile:
>
> > BTW, which are you using ?
>
> I use pan myself. Oddly enough, I just noticed that it doesn’t
> include the description fields, so I’m going to have to submit a bug
> on that. The older version did this, and I found it quite useful.
>
> Jim
Hi
With Claws, you just add them in… but if the header doesn’t exist it
won’t show it. You can also add your own X headers too.

Is there a list of which headers are transferred to the NNTP side?


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On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:25:28 +0000, Malcolm wrote:

> With Claws, you just add them in… but if the header doesn’t exist it
> won’t show it. You can also add your own X headers too.
>
> Is there a list of which headers are transferred to the NNTP side?

Probably wouldn’t be hard to determine by looking at the NNTP headers - I
see From, Subject, and posting date are pulled through. The group
information is determined from a mapping the vBulletin NNTP gateway (I
know this from managing some forums that use this). Threading
information (in NNTP parlance, “references” headers) are generated by
determining the message ID of the parent posts - NNTP standard is a
minimum of the thread root, and I think two parent messages (if they
exist - I seem to recall 3 references, if available, are what’s in the
RFC). I think there also are headers that define where the post
originated from - user agent, IP address, etc.

Jim

> I think there also are headers that define where the post
> originated from - user agent, IP address, etc.

yes, your message showed up here with, for example

User-Agent: Pan/0.132 (Waxed in Black)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.165.29.131
X-Trace: kozak.provo.novell.com 1216752058 68.165.29.131 (Tue, 22 Jul
2008 12:40:58 MDT)

and more…


DenverD (Linux Counter 282315)
A Texan in Denmark

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:17:40 +0000, DenverD wrote:

> yes, your message showed up here with, for example

Yep, I was going to quote the headers from another message, but from
posts originating in the web interface there’s similar info available.

Jim