On 01/28/2012 12:26 AM, l300lvl wrote:
> I don’t see what the fuss was about though, I
> don’t know that offending name and have never heard it, let alone would
> I care if I had done a background on him before posting this.
i do not understand either…
first i don’t agree with the presumption that anti-war/pacifism is “the
whole idea behind FOSS”…
and second i think it somewhat inappropriate to begin chilling the open
use of words because of their potential association with
evil/bad/horrible or even good/wonderful/kind (because: one man’s evil
is often another mans wonderful: a fact easily seen for centuries)
to chill a program’s name because it is associated with some
warrior/admiral/general/president/prime minister of ages past, or a
weapon of war named after him/her is not my idea of ‘open’…
will we likewise banish the names associated with ‘good’ even when
another section of earth considers that ‘good’ to be very bad?
should we rename Konqueror if it might offend the sensibilities of one
or another race, society, country, religious/philosophical or political
belief?
what about the linux programs/games using some form of ‘crusader’
<http://tinyurl.com/89mjcnf>? are we as a group gonna push for them to
be renamed? or, even allow the open taking of sides for or against
potentially ‘good’/‘evil’ names?
its a slippery slope i don’t think this (or any) open source community
should jump on…
of course this post should be in soap box along with all or parts of
posts 13 through 18 and 20–and, i welcome they be edited/moved as
appropriate…
My understanding is that Unity, Gnome-shell and Cinnamon are shells which sit on top of Gnome. That way you can have Gnome-shell (the shell most people think of when they say “Gnome 3”) and Unity and presumably Cinnamon installed on the same system and the Gnome core underneath it all is the same.
Although for Unity users, the global menus of Unity carry over to Cinnamon and have to be removed if it is unwanted.
The global menu’s are implemented through a very intrusive patch (they do work on openSUSE 11.4 when I patched GTK for it in GNOME:Ayatana). If an environment var isn’t defined, they aren’t used… so I don’t see any trouble… one thing is sure, unless that patch gets upstreamed, Vincent won’t allow it on openSUSE (and I do support the man on that),I don’t think Cinnamon will become as intrusive as Unity, at least Clem has Cinnamon in nearly all distro’s… if they choose the road of pain, Cinnamon will not become an option for most distro’s, at least Fedora, openSUSE, etc… the big ones.
It wasn’t about a man, it was about a Battleship, during it’s time the biggest battleship in the Atlantic. Unlike the Yamato and the Bismark, the Tarpitz has never made any contribution to the war besides being present to force the enemy not to cross it’s path, it only fired his main guns a single time (58 shells), and it was sunk without much fight.
When I chose ‘tirpitz’ I picked it based on the ‘fear factor’ that was associated with him, besides, it was one of the most remarkable engineering demonstrations on it’s days. But I’ve seen worst names… I’ve renamed the application to ‘emok’ which stands for ‘emo kids’. I’m sure it’s a proper name… Though for my private spin, the release name is going to be most likely ‘Pizarro’ after Francisco Pizarro. (Santiago was taken by Red Hat).
I was only asking if Unity is actually a fork of Gnome Shell, not if it can run on top of Gnome 3.x, that doesn’t make it a fork. Anyone can write a ‘Shell’ to run on top of Gnome 3. I thought Unity was out before the Gnome 3 Shell?
It’s not a fork, it’s just a different shell which runs ok with GNOME. Unity is just a compiz plugin and a artifact drawing library. Cinnamon is actually a fork from gnome-shell and muffin (cinnamon’s window manager) is a fork of mutter
On 2012-01-24 14:56, creatura85 wrote:
> Personally i
> propose that users interested in this should install this desktop in a
> virtual machine, test it and provide feedback here in order for the
> developer to improve it.
In a virtual machine? Gnome 3 on a virtual machine doesn’t fully works, no
3D accel, and goes to fallback mode.
Does the same happens to Cinnamon?
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
robin_listas: i have both cinnamon and gnom3 running under VBox. They run a bit slow but they run as on any real machine. Try and install Vbox Guest Additions manually, maybe it will work then.
> robin_listas: i have both cinnamon and gnom3 running under VBox. They
> run a bit slow but they run as on any real machine. Try and install Vbox
> Guest Additions manually, maybe it will work then.
No, I’m using vmware, can’t install both.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
Am 31.01.2012 14:48, schrieb Carlos E. R.:
> On 2012-01-31 08:06, creatura85 wrote:
>
>> robin_listas: i have both cinnamon and gnom3 running under VBox. They
>> run a bit slow but they run as on any real machine. Try and install Vbox
>> Guest Additions manually, maybe it will work then.
>
> No, I’m using vmware, can’t install both.
>
Do you use workstation?
I have vmware player 4 and vbox 4 running happily on the same machine, I
wonder if workstation is here so much different.
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PC: oS 11.4 (dual boot 12.1) 64 bit | Intel Core i7-2600@3.40GHz | KDE
4.6.0 | GeForce GT 420 | 16GB Ram
Eee PC 1201n: oS 11.4 64 bit | Intel Atom 330@1.60GHz | KDE 4.8.0 |
nVidia ION | 3GB Ram
Tested Cinnamon for a whole day on my PC and i like how this fork of Gnome 3 works. Personally i hope to see it on the DVD as an extra desktop option.
Cinnamon had only a single issue: it was unable to shutdown my PC, but i think that is due to the fact that KDE is my default desktop.
On 2012-02-01 15:06, dragonbite wrote:
>
> robin_listas;2436297 Wrote:
>>
>>
>> Log out first, then shutdown.
>>
>
> Or hold down the <Alt> key and the option becomes “Shut down”
Does that work from Gnome when the login manager is from kde, ie, kdm?
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
Indeed that works for both Cinnamon and Gnome 3. I log out of the desktop then the KDE greeter appears and from the shutdown menu i can finally turn off my pc.
The shutdown function is working properly on a normal install. The only thing that isn’t currently working is the ‘Lock Screen’ from the menu, all the rest should be working fine.
Cinnamon is for GNOME, not having the gnome3 pattern install might lead to that.
