Changing desktop environment in openSUSE 12.3 / KDE

Dear openSUSE users,

I am a relatively new openSUSE user and have been enjoying the KDE desktop in openSUSE 12.3.
With the release of Gnome 3.8, I decided to check it out and see if I could stomach running in Gnome, so I followed the instructions listed here:

GNOME 3.8 for openSUSE 12.3 – GO GET IT @ Dominique a.k.a. DimStar (Dim*)

specifically:

zypper ar -f obs://GNOME:STABLE:3.8/openSUSE_12.3 GS38
zypper dup --from GS38

But I was not greeted with the Gnome desktop nor was I able to select it from the list at the login screen when I next rebooted.

Have I missed something fundamental here?

Thanks,
Chris

So, I have not tried this and from the openSUSE forum prospective, I am not sure anyone here says this works. I do wonder about the reposotory URL as being wrong. I found the right one here (leave out the quotes):

"http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/GNOME:/STABLE:/3.8/openSUSE_12.3/"

I request you open up a terminal session and type in this command and post the result here:

zypper repos -u

As for the commands, if you did this (less quotes):

"zypper ar -f http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/GNOME:/STABLE:/3.8/openSUSE_12.3/ GNOME38"

And then issued an:

zypper dup --from GNOME38

It might all work. I keep putting the URL link in a CODE # tag with quotes to keep it from being converted name wise, which may have happened here, where a valid link gets converted into a name, with the actual URL hidden, which does not copy well, but not sure except the URL does not seem right at all to me.

For much more help in using Zypper, have a look here: Z.A.P.I.T. - Zypper Automation Package Information Tool - Version 1.0.0 - Blogs - openSUSE Forums

The "zypper ar -f " add the repository, based on a valid URL and sets it to auto refresh while the “zypper dup” is a distribution upgrade, in this case, from a valid GNOME 3.8 repository. There is something wrong with that story where you got the URL for some reason.

Thank You,

On Wed 29 May 2013 01:06:05 AM CDT, jdmcdaniel3 wrote:

cristobalgriffin;2560918 Wrote:
> Dear openSUSE users,
>
> I am a relatively new openSUSE user and have been enjoying the KDE
> desktop in openSUSE 12.3.
> With the release of Gnome 3.8, I decided to check it out and see if I
> could stomach running in Gnome, so I followed the instructions listed
> here:
>
> ‘GNOME 3.8 for openSUSE 12.3 – GO GET IT @ Dominique a.k.a. DimStar
> (Dim*)’ (GNOME 3.8 for openSUSE 12.3 – GO GET IT – Dominique a.k.a. DimStar (Dim*))
>
> specifically:
>
> >
Code:

> > zypper ar -f obs://GNOME:STABLE:3.8/openSUSE_12.3 GS38
> zypper dup --from GS38

> >
>
> But I was not greeted with the Gnome desktop nor was I able to select
> it from the list at the login screen when I next rebooted.
>
> Have I missed something fundamental here?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris

So, I have not tried this and from the openSUSE forum prospective, I am
not sure anyone here says this works. I do wonder about the reposotory
URL as being wrong. I found the right one here (leave out the quotes):

Code:

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/GNOME:/STABLE:/3.8/openSUSE_12.3/

I request you open up a terminal session and type in this command and
post the result here:

Code:

zypper repos -u

As for the commands, if you did this (less quotes):

Code:

“zypper ar -f
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/GNOME:/STABLE:/3.8/openSUSE_12.3/
GNOME38” --------------------

And then issue an:

Code:

zypper dup --from GNOME38

It might all work. I keep putting the URL link in a CODE # tag with
quotes to keep it from being converted name wise, which may have
happened here, where a valid link gets converted into a name, with the
actual URL hidden, which does not copy well, but not sure except the URL
does not seem right at all to me.

For much more help in using Zypper, have a look here: ‘Z.A.P.I.T. -
Zypper Automation Package Information Tool - Version 1.0.0 - Blogs -
openSUSE Forums’ (http://tinyurl.com/jwmjjzv)

The "zypper ar -f " add the repository, based on a valid URL and sets
it to auto refresh while the “zypper dup” is a distribution upgrade, in
this case, from a valid GNOME 3.8 repository. There is something wrong
with that story where you got the URL for some reason.

Thank You,

Hi
There are a couple of items missed;


screen
su -
zypper patch

Then then rest of the commands, screen helps if something goes
wrong… but not in my experience.


Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) Kernel 3.7.10-1.4-desktop
up 8:28, 3 users, load average: 0.20, 0.14, 0.19
CPU AMD Athlon™ II P360@2.30GHz | GPU Mobility Radeon HD 4200

Which besides the bad URL, makes you wonder what the real count of successful updates have been not to mention you must install repositories and update files with root authority.

So the procedure for this is in terminal would be …

su -
password:
zypper ar -f correct_url repo_name
zypper dup --from repo_name
zypper patch

Thank You,

On Wed 29 May 2013 01:36:02 AM CDT, jdmcdaniel3 wrote:

malcolmlewis;2560945 Wrote:
> Hi
> There are a couple of items missed;
>
> >
Code:

> >
> screen
> su -
> zypper patch
>

> >
> Then then rest of the commands, screen helps if something goes
> wrong… but not in my experience.
>
>
> –
> Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
> openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) Kernel 3.7.10-1.4-desktop
> up 8:28, 3 users, load average: 0.20, 0.14, 0.19
> CPU AMD Athlon™ II P360@2.30GHz | GPU Mobility Radeon HD 4200

Which besides the bad URL, makes you wonder what the real count of
successful updates have been not to mention you must install
repositories and update files with root authority.

So the procedure for this is in terminal would be …

Code:

su -
password:
zypper ar -f correct_url repo_name
zypper dup --from repo_name
zypper patch


Thank You,

Hi
Well obs is valid url for me, but since I have an obs account and use
osc it works, just like searching for packages using osc…

zypper patch needs to be run before the update to 3.8.x


Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) Kernel 3.7.10-1.4-desktop
up 9:11, 3 users, load average: 0.34, 0.19, 0.14
CPU AMD Athlon™ II P360@2.30GHz | GPU Mobility Radeon HD 4200

On 05/29/2013 12:26 AM, cristobalgriffin wrote:
> so I followed the instructions listed
> here:
>
> ‘GNOME 3.8 for openSUSE 12.3 – GO GET IT @ Dominique a.k.a.
> DimStar (Dim*)’ (http://tinyurl.com/cmxgytv)

you are, of course, free to follow any and all blogs on the net! no
matter who they are from or how wonderful (or disastrous) they might be!

but when you do, if you have problems you really should contact the
blog writer for resolution…(i mean, as well as getting pats on the
back for a job well done they should also be fixing every user’s
mess they contribute to!! [at least then they get to see the
potential flaws in their how-to, and might either fix the problems or
remove the info from public view!])

and, wellllll…when i read the comments (scroll down below the
how-to) from the people who tried to use those instructions, i would
think that maybe they will not work for everyone!! and, i would
probably have avoided those instructions…but, you may try them if
you wish.

imHo it is better to follow instructions known to be from inside the
openSUSE universe…i do this by restricting my google searches
using their magic “site specifier” switch, meaning i would have tried
to learn how to get a working gnome 3.8 upgrade from among these hits:

https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aopensuse.org+install+gnome+“3.8”

ymmv!!


dd
http://tinyurl.com/DD-Caveat

On the standard KDE Login screen (KDM) there is a “gear” symbol below the user list. Did you click on this and chose GNOME?
If it doesn’t show up there, you may be missing the package “gnome-session”. Please install that.

If you want to get the GNOME login screen, you have to edit /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager. Change the line DISPLAYMANAGER=“kdm” to DISPLAYMANAGER=“gdm”. Of course you must have installed gdm for this to work! Please check that first.

Aren’t the instructions meant for those already running GNOME3? I’m beginning to wonder whether GNOME3 is installed at all…
Please post output of


rpm -qa | grep patterns | grep gnome 

Thank you, a good tip.

On Wed 29 May 2013 06:55:33 AM CDT, dd wrote:

On 05/29/2013 12:26 AM, cristobalgriffin wrote:
> so I followed the instructions listed
> here:
>
> ‘GNOME 3.8 for openSUSE 12.3 – GO GET IT @ Dominique a.k.a.
> DimStar (Dim*)’ (GNOME 3.8 for openSUSE 12.3 – GO GET IT – Dominique a.k.a. DimStar (Dim*))

you are, of course, free to follow any and all blogs on the net! no
matter who they are from or how wonderful (or disastrous) they might be!

but when you do, if you have problems you really should contact the
blog writer for resolution…(i mean, as well as getting pats on the
back for a job well done they should also be fixing every user’s
mess they contribute to!! [at least then they get to see the
potential flaws in their how-to, and might either fix the problems or
remove the info from public view!])

and, wellllll…when i read the comments (scroll down below the
how-to) from the people who tried to use those instructions, i would
think that maybe they will not work for everyone!! and, i would
probably have avoided those instructions…but, you may try them if
you wish.

imHo it is better to follow instructions known to be from inside the
openSUSE universe…i do this by restricting my google searches
using their magic “site specifier” switch, meaning i would have tried
to learn how to get a working gnome 3.8 upgrade from among these hits:

site:opensuse.org install gnome "3.8" - Google Suche

ymmv!!

Hi
You do realize who DimStar is?


Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) Kernel 3.7.10-1.11-desktop
up 0:02, 3 users, load average: 0.36, 0.30, 0.13
CPU AMD Athlon™ II P360@2.30GHz | GPU Mobility Radeon HD 4200

On 05/29/2013 03:53 PM, malcolmlewis wrote:
> You do realize who DimStar is?

think about it this way:

it makes NO difference what you know or what i know about who DimStar
is (if the person is actually the DimStar we think we know)!!
it is what the uninformed new users knows…and, this one, had no
idea who DimStar is and neither will the next one…

could have as easily been some crazy guy working for some competing
system, just out spreading hard to impossible for new folks to follow
how-to. and using a moniker which might be ‘trusted’ even though it
was not crypto-signed.

so, even if DimStar said at the top of his blog: “I am the most
important hacker in universe, and have done the most wonderful stuff
or GNOME/openSUSE and mom’s apple pie, SO you can trust everything i
write here because my email is DimStar@suse.de

would that make that page’s how-to any safer for anyone?

how would you, me or any random new guy know if the page is by who it
says it is by…i mean, it is not even an httpS

it is rubbish as far as i am concerned…i won’t follow any of
it…if DimStar wants to publish in a certificated manner, there are
spots available for him with somekind of opensuse.org address, right?

as said: ymmv, but are you willing to suggest to new users that every
unsigned http blog on the net is a good place to get a trustworthy
how-to?

and just last: if DimStar’s is a good how-to, why is the OP here
asking for help…and, why did so many other people have problems
with it? if the help is NOT in the blog, it is not complete enough
for the people who NEED the blog to get going. (sure, it might be
perfect for you, but . . . )


dd

On Wed 29 May 2013 05:14:33 PM CDT, dd wrote:

On 05/29/2013 03:53 PM, malcolmlewis wrote:
> You do realize who DimStar is?

think about it this way:

it makes NO difference what you know or what i know about who DimStar
is (if the person is actually the DimStar we think we know)!!
it is what the uninformed new users knows…and, this one, had no
idea who DimStar is and neither will the next one…

could have as easily been some crazy guy working for some competing
system, just out spreading hard to impossible for new folks to follow
how-to. and using a moniker which might be ‘trusted’ even though it
was not crypto-signed.

so, even if DimStar said at the top of his blog: “I am the most
important hacker in universe, and have done the most wonderful stuff
or GNOME/openSUSE and mom’s apple pie, SO you can trust everything i
write here because my email is DimStar@suse.de

would that make that page’s how-to any safer for anyone?

how would you, me or any random new guy know if the page is by who it
says it is by…i mean, it is not even an httpS

it is rubbish as far as i am concerned…i won’t follow any of
it…if DimStar wants to publish in a certificated manner, there are
spots available for him with somekind of opensuse.org address, right?

as said: ymmv, but are you willing to suggest to new users that every
unsigned http blog on the net is a good place to get a trustworthy
how-to?

and just last: if DimStar’s is a good how-to, why is the OP here
asking for help…and, why did so many other people have problems
with it? if the help is NOT in the blog, it is not complete enough
for the people who NEED the blog to get going. (sure, it might be
perfect for you, but . . . )

Hi
Just a friendly reminder not to get too personal :wink:

Unfortunately, DimStar like me run GNOME desktop’s so funnies like
this are hard to track down at times when multiple DE’s
installed, additional repos etc. Picking up an incomplete mirror
is another, again that’s outside of everyone’s control…

That being said, the additional commands I gave are nice to do, make
sure your system is up to date etc, screen again isn’t necessary.

And rule number one, never believe anything you read on the internet…


Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) Kernel 3.7.10-1.11-desktop
up 4:24, 3 users, load average: 0.07, 0.14, 0.14
CPU AMD Athlon™ II P360@2.30GHz | GPU Mobility Radeon HD 4200

Can’t get it out of my mind:
Read this:

The basic pre-requisit is a fully updated openSUSE 12.3 GNOME installation, where you add the GNOME 3.8 repository on top.

from the Dimstar blog post. This means a GNOME should be installed. The OP states he uses KDE, wants to install GNOME alongside. So, he’s running update instructions where the thing to update isn’t there. Hence the question to show output of the patterns. They should be installed if GNOME was installed.

On 05/29/2013 08:31 PM, malcolmlewis wrote:
> Just a friendly reminder not to get too personal;)

you are right…and, it was NOT intended to be personal against that
blog or that person…i should have written it much more generic!

if you wanna delete it, that will be okay by me.

but, we see it often here that folks say they followed XYZ at
somewhere.com and now the machine is broke, PLEASE HELP.

> And rule number one, never believe anything you read on the internet…

THAT is the truth. And, i know it must be the truth because i read it
so many times on the internet!!

i even read it on the wall of a truck stop bathroom in Hattiesburg,
or hmmmmm Clarksdale.


dd

On Wed 29 May 2013 07:37:01 PM CDT, dd wrote:

On 05/29/2013 08:31 PM, malcolmlewis wrote:
> Just a friendly reminder not to get too personal;)

you are right…and, it was NOT intended to be personal against that
blog or that person…i should have written it much more generic!

if you wanna delete it, that will be okay by me.

but, we see it often here that folks say they followed XYZ at
somewhere.com and now the machine is broke, PLEASE HELP.

Yes, there is such a plethora of good and bad information out there,
unfortunately I even shudder when looking at editing or creating
an openSUSE wiki page :frowning:

On Wed 29 May 2013 07:37:01 PM CDT, dd wrote:

> And rule number one, never believe anything you read on the internet…

THAT is the truth. And, i know it must be the truth because i read it
so many times on the internet!!

i even read it on the wall of a truck stop bathroom in Hattiesburg,
or hmmmmm Clarksdale.

Ahh hah, Clarksdale is just up the road from here, could very well have
been there, and passed through Hattiesburg on the way to the coast a
few times :wink:


Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) Kernel 3.7.10-1.11-desktop
up 6:44, 3 users, load average: 0.09, 0.07, 0.05
CPU AMD Athlon™ II P360@2.30GHz | GPU Mobility Radeon HD 4200

Let me add one more prospective, and indeed I don’t know who Dimstar is either, which has had no effect on how well openSUSE works on my system so far. OK, the point is, give complete end-to-end instructions that all openSUSE users can follow and that includes using valid URL’s and to make no assumptions on what a user is running, Failure to do so can mess up a system, perhaps many of them, and lose our future user base just so you or anyone else could make a quick blog post. Don’t get me wrong, all users and moderators make mistakes, here and elsewhere. But if you want to really help, post all of the instructions in the correct order, with no assumptions or keep your help to yourself. Now that is my opinion only and not necessarily that of any other living or dead person in the entire universe, so take it for what it is worth. I do try my best to live by my recommendations though.

Thank You for using openSUSE,

On 05/29/2013 03:37 PM, dd pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
> On 05/29/2013 08:31 PM, malcolmlewis wrote:
>> Just a friendly reminder not to get too personal;)
>
> you are right…and, it was NOT intended to be personal against that
> blog or that person…i should have written it much more generic!
>
> if you wanna delete it, that will be okay by me.
>
> but, we see it often here that folks say they followed XYZ at
> somewhere.com and now the machine is broke, PLEASE HELP.
>
>> And rule number one, never believe anything you read on the internet…
>

I saw a commercial on TV that said that you can’t post anything on the
internet that isn’t true, are you saying the opposite? :-)) Darn. LOL

HI All,

I had the respository correct, but I followed the directions again with the instructions from James from Austin and Malcolm. After updating my system, Here’s the listing of my repositories, and the output from the commands:

linux-sxgl:~ # zypper repos -u
#  | Alias                     | Name                               | Enabled | Refresh | URI                                                                                
---+---------------------------+------------------------------------+---------+---------+------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 1 | GNOME38                   | GNOME38                            | Yes     | Yes     | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/GNOME:/STABLE:/3.8/openSUSE_12.3/        
 2 | KDE:Extra                 | KDE:Extra                          | No      | Yes     | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Extra/openSUSE_12.3/                
 3 | LibreOffice_Stable        | LibreOffice Stable                 | No      | Yes     | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Stable/openSUSE_12.3        
 4 | Mozilla                   | Mozilla                            | No      | Yes     | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/mozilla/openSUSE_12.3/                   
 5 | Packman                   | Packman                            | No      | Yes     | http://packman.inode.at/suse/openSUSE_12.3                                         
 6 | VLC                       | VLC                                | No      | Yes     | http://download.videolan.org/pub/vlc/SuSE/12.3                                     
 7 | WINE                      | WINE                               | No      | Yes     | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Emulators:/Wine/openSUSE_12.3/           
 8 | home:deltafox             | home:deltafox                      | No      | Yes     | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/deltafox/openSUSE_12.3/            
 9 | libdvdcss repository      | libdvdcss repository               | No      | Yes     | http://opensuse-guide.org/repo/12.3/                                               
10 | openSUSE-12.3-1.7         | openSUSE-12.3-1.7                  | No      | Yes     | hd:///?device=/dev/disk/by-id/usb-SanDisk_Cruzer_Contour_43185309D760D748-0:0-part2
11 | repo-debug                | openSUSE-12.3-Debug                | No      | Yes     | http://download.opensuse.org/debug/distribution/12.3/repo/oss/                     
12 | repo-debug-update         | openSUSE-12.3-Update-Debug         | No      | Yes     | http://download.opensuse.org/debug/update/12.3/                                    
13 | repo-debug-update-non-oss | openSUSE-12.3-Update-Debug-Non-Oss | No      | Yes     | http://download.opensuse.org/debug/update/12.3-non-oss/                            
14 | repo-non-oss              | openSUSE-12.3-Non-Oss              | Yes     | Yes     | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/12.3/repo/non-oss/                       
15 | repo-oss                  | openSUSE-12.3-Oss                  | Yes     | Yes     | http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/12.3/repo/oss/                           
16 | repo-source               | openSUSE-12.3-Source               | No      | Yes     | http://download.opensuse.org/source/distribution/12.3/repo/oss/                    
17 | repo-update               | openSUSE-12.3-Update               | Yes     | Yes     | http://download.opensuse.org/update/12.3/                                          
18 | repo-update-non-oss       | openSUSE-12.3-Update-Non-Oss       | Yes     | Yes     | http://download.opensuse.org/update/12.3-non-oss/                                  
linux-sxgl:~ # zypper dup --from GNOME38
Retrieving repository 'GNOME38' metadata ..................................................................................................................................................................[done]
Building repository 'GNOME38' cache .......................................................................................................................................................................[done]
Loading repository data...
Reading installed packages...
Computing distribution upgrade...

Nothing to do.
linux-sxgl:~ # 


So nothing changed, and I still don’t see an option to log into Gnome38.

I also ran the command recommended by Knurpht:

linux-sxgl:~ # rpm -qa | grep patterns | grep gnome
linux-sxgl:~ # 

So it seems there is a problem! Maybe dup is not the right command for zypper to install Gnome38?

Thanks for all of your help, I really appreciate it.

Chris

HI All,
I got it working by installing gnome-shell
This feels like my first day of work 20 years ago, after being a graduate student for years and using Unix solely, I was put in front of a MacIntosh computer.
It was quite embarassing because I didn’t know how to turn the ****ed thing on! My boss had to push the button on the keyboard for me.

OK, now that I’m logged into Gnome3.8, I have to figure out how to make it not so horrible by getting minimize buttons back, etc. But that is a task for another day :wink:

Many Thanks
Chris

On Thu 30 May 2013 02:46:03 AM CDT, cristobalgriffin wrote:

OK, now that I’m logged into Gnome3.8, I have to figure out how to make
it not so horrible by getting minimize buttons back, etc. But that is a
task for another day :wink:

Many Thanks
Chris

Hi
That can be done via the GNOME tweak tool, also checkout
https://extensions.gnome.org/ and Projects/GnomeShell/CheatSheet - GNOME Wiki!


Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890)
openSUSE 12.3 (x86_64) Kernel 3.7.10-1.11-desktop
up 13:25, 3 users, load average: 0.06, 0.04, 0.05
CPU AMD Athlon™ II P360@2.30GHz | GPU Mobility Radeon HD 4200