I’m running an openSUSE fresh installation and most of the things are running fine, there are however some settings that are not the way I want them, and I can’t seem to change them.
This is what I want:
Language of everything set US English
Keyboard is US English
Date, time, numeric, monetary and all other locale settings to dutch, except warning, errors, etc.
To configure this I opened the Yast sysconfig editor and changed all settings to nl_NL.UTF-8:
You must have changed something at installation because English is the default.
Unix/Linux is a multi user system. This means (among other things) that when you change these values on the system level, the are only changed for the system level. Not for the individual user, because every user may have hers/his own likings. When you want to change for a users desktop that can be done in the the GUI. I am an KDE user, but I bet Gnome has something like that. In the KDE main menu (Kicker) there is something like Configuration centre/ Desktop settings (language dependent ) and there you find icons with a flag, etc.
HTH.
Edit: I see this is your first post. Welcome to the forums. Welkom Sjoerd.
On install it’s possible to pick ‘Nederlands’, which is what Sjoerd did. This brings all LC values to dutch standards.
Now, this is what he wants, but the desktop language. For years now it has been possible to install multiple languages for the desktops, even Frysian, Sjoerd. Play around with KDE4’s Configure Desktop (systemsettings)- Regional settings, and you’ll find out.
Distinguish between the YaST settings which are intended to match your hardware to the system - so you only set the keyboard to US in YaST if you have a US keyboard layout - and the software settings in Gnome and KDE which allow each user to change the way the keyboard responds to suit their needs.
I did not select Nederlands as language during installation. I selected English (US) during the installation for language and for keyboard because that’s the way I want it.
The main things I want is this:
I want the date displayed in DD MM instead of MM DD
I want money displayed as 10,00 instead of 10.00
I want the default paper size set to A4 instead of letter, but I could live with that one.
Now, as I understand I’ve been configuring the system settings while I should have been configuring the user settings. The thing is, Yast only lets me configure the language and the keyboard for as far as I know and they are set the way I want them (to US English).
So now I’ve learned something more I can redefine my question, how can I set the three items above to the desired settings for my user account in Gnome.
when logged in as yourself, isn’t there something called a “control
center” (or something like that) in the menu, and in or near there is
a “personal settings” and/or “configure desktop”??
the date and money will be found under “localization” or “regional &
accessibility”…
i think you set the default paper in the printer set up…BUT, in (for
example) OpenOffice.org i think you also have to set it there, and maybe in each program you wanna print from…(well, if you use
nothing but “Gnome applications” they may all be able to be set at one
place…
I think you have misunderstood what I wrote; during the installation you select the keyboard that matches your hardware. If you have a Dutch keyboard and have selected US during installation, you will completely confuse openSUSE.
During installation, you select the keyboard layout that matches your hardware. After you have completed the installation you adjust the way the keyboard responds to your keystrokes by installing the appropriate software keyboard.
If the selection in YaST does not match the hardware of your keyboard, you need to go into YaST and change it. Then you can change the software layout in Gnome.
I am sorry John, but imo it is not about his keyboard. We use the same keyboard as you. It is about is Localisation: date/time fornat, valuta character €, decimal sign , instead of ., paper format A4, …
In KDE that is ver easy. You start your desktop configuration (has nothing to do with YaST Sjoerd) and then to localisation (icon with flag) and then you find everything. You can choose a Language,a nd when this langige isn;t there you can install it (though this asked for tyhe root password). When you have chosen the language, most of the other parameters will be set to what we dutch like, but you can always change them individualy. The only thing is that I use KDE and can’t tell Sjoerd how this is done in Gnome. But it can’t be that different!.
And yes, keyboard choosing is part of it, but I live happy with English US. Some dutch might choose Portugese Brazil (surprise).
To add: there are dutch keyboards, They reside on typewriters and have never been very common. We dutch people always have to set our keyboard to US, since we use US keyboards,
Installing Gnome right now, to see if I can find this.
Exactly. I use an US keyboard, but I want to use the Dutch localization. The problem is after reading all input from everyone is that gnome doesn’t provide a gui interface to set this. That’s not a really big problem, except that I can’t find a single way to set this up.
Maybe I should ask it on a specific gnome forum? What do you guys think?
On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:16:02 +0000, Sjoerdhooft wrote:
> The problem is after reading all input from everyone is
> that gnome doesn’t provide a gui interface to set this.
It does - I was playing around with this to configure my US keyboard to
support both QWERTY and Dvorak layouts.
What you’re looking for is in the control center - select “Keyboard” and
then the “Layouts” tab. You can then add a layout and select either by
country or by language (I’ve got the dutch keyboard up in front of me
right now).
Does that change your currency symbol from $ to € and you decimal sign from . to , and all those things that have nothing to do with your keyboard (that you use for input)), but everything with output like:
. the date displayd as: maandag 9 november 2009
. the prize of a car displayes as: € 20.000,00 (instead of $ 20,000.00)
etc.
Sory, I was called away for dinner. I have here a screenshot of KDE3.5’s Desktop Configuration > Regio > Regio/language: http://www.xs4all.nl/~hcvv/localisation.jpg
You will see that is has more tabs where I have chosen one.
Behind these tabs are the things Sjoerd wants to set. In the end they are stored in environment variables of the kind Sjoerd gave in his OP. But I hoped that they could be set in Gnome as in KDE: by the GUI.
Can a Gnome user please confirm that there is no such thing in Gnome (or where it is to be found?
Palladium and I would be very surprised when there wouldn’t be such a possibility.
> Sory, I was called away for dinner. I have here a screenshot of KDE3.5’s
> Desktop Configuration > Regio > Regio/language:
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~hcvv/localisation.jpg You will see that is has
> more tabs where I have chosen one.
>
> Behind these tabs are the things Sjoerd wants to set. In the end they
> are stored in environment variables of the kind Sjoerd gave in his OP.
> But I hoped that they could be set in Gnome as in KDE: by the GUI.
>
> Can a Gnome user please confirm that there is no such thing in Gnome (or
> where it is to be found?
>
> Palladium and I would be very surprised when there wouldn’t be such a
> possibility.
The “Language” settings (under System) seem to relate to the locale. My guess (as I don’t have time to test at the moment) would be that if you
set the primary language to Dutch and then set the keyboard to be a US
keyboard with a Dutch layout, that would take care of things.
When that is the case then Gnome would not have the possibility for individual settings. Example:
The date in numbers would most probably default for the Dutch Locale to: 09-11-09.
I prefer (and have set that in KDE in one of the tabs shows above): 2009-11-09.
> When that is the case then Gnome would not have the possibility for
> individual settings. Example:
>
> The date in numbers would most probably default for the Dutch Locale to:
> 09-11-09.
> I prefer (and have set that in KDE in one of the tabs shows above):
> 2009-11-09.
I’m sure there’s a way to do it, but I haven’t had a need myself.
Perhaps one of the other members of the community has played around with
this more than I have. I really just saw the question as being about
keyboard mappings - now I see that isn’t what it was about, though.
i’m using kde now so i can’t help him find the gnome way, today…
i know several years back, while using gnome, i was able to use US
English as the system language (menus, help, errors, etc), a Danish
keyboard, and date/time/money formats in the Danish way (5/10/08 is in
October, 15:25 is in the afternoon and 10.000,00 DKK as the correct
use of dots, commas and currency symbols)…
i would be astonished to learn that those capabilities have been
programmed out, even for Dutchmen…
Sjoerdhooft, unfortunately you might find you may be able to set your
desires for all “Gnome applications” in one place, but still have to
set them again in (for example) OpenOffice… (which make me wonder, if
you run Wind0ws if OpenOffice picks its localization directions from
the system settings–thereby not allowing multi-users to pick their
own settings)
the diversity of Linux, and inability to push a chain makes it pretty
difficult to enforce all potential program hackers to not expect
that the entire world has (or should have) a postal address in this one, unchangeable format:
[prefix title] FirstName MiddleInitial LastName [suffix title/etc]
[numerical values] [geo variable] StreeName [apartment number, etc]
CityName [2 letter state id], [US code format xxxxx-xxxx]
) and there you find icons with a flag, etc.
