Can't install 11.4 on MacBook Pro! Bad MBR maybe? Please HELP!!!! - complicated

Hi all…I hope that you can help me out with my issue.

The short version:
I have a mac book pro 5,1. I downloaded the 64 bit version of suse 11.4, burned image to DL DVD w/ powerISO. Put in the disc, reboot the mac, it won’t pick up the DVD - seems to be reading it for a while thens pits it out. Same thing when I boot and hold the “C” key or “option”.

The long version:
I am currently running Fedora 15 on my mac. The reason is that I had osx lion and wanted to dual boot it with suse. But things happened (i partitioned my drive using bootcamp, the installed refit) - and after that when I restarted my computer nothing happened! The osx lion didn’t load at all. I thought my MBR got messed up. So I switched Hard Drives - I have a spare hard drive with a clone copy os lion installed - but same thing happened - lion wouldn’t load! So I put in suse, ubuntu and other distros and none of them would load except for Fedora. Weird! So I installed fedora, wiped the disc clean of lion and other partitions and with fedora on my hd i now want to setup suse like i originally wanted. But like I wrote in the short version of my story - my mac seems to battle w/ reading the dvd but won’t boot from it. Why? Is it the MBR? Why will it only read the Fedora live CD? Please help!!!

I don’t know why you’re having this problem with Lion. I don’t have Lion and I’m not planning to upgrade yet, but we have two iMacs - with Leopard and Snow Leopard - and I never had problems booting and installing openSUSE 11.4 (as well as 11.3 and 11.2 before) on these machines. Of course, you have to know the installation tricks that have been widely described in other posts (such as preventing openSUSE setup from overwting the MBR with a generic boot code).

Did you try to checksum the iso image, test the medium, etc? Does it boot on another computer (if you have one)?

Just a question (out of curiosity): Were you able to dowload an iso image of Lion and burn it? AFAIK you don’t get a DVD anymore. And if you happen to have nothing to lose on this drive and reinstall Lion from a DVD you burned, I would like to know if it works. Actually, the first thing I do on iMacs is reinstalling OS X in a case sensitive HFS+ partition (looks more like Unix).

Yes I burned the Lion DVD from the dmg. Still nothing will work. I cannot reinstall lion or snow leopard. It’s like nothing works on my macbook that’s why im thinking my mbr is messed up and it wont load a boot from an iso disc but why would it work for fedora only though? Do you know how I can check the mbr or how to reset the mbr somehow?

I can’t vouch for this myself, but this thread discusses the same issue, and one post describes using the OS X install DVD, and issuing this command

fdisk -u /dev/disk0

to restore the corrupted MBR.

fdisk here is very similar to the DOS fdisk program, just designed for UNIX
the -u tells it to update MBR without modifying partitions
/dev/disk0 is the hard drive. yours may differ, but i doubt it

This fixed my problem.

Long story short, yes you can do it easily from command line, just boot your install DVD. In terminal, type the command listed above.

Hmm …The MBR of your harddisk is not involved while booting DVDs. But I never installed OS X on a broken or empty hd though (meaning I had a working OS X before reinstalling). It can be that - at a later point - OS X is not able to read the partition table. By the way, the Mac doesn’t use MBR but GPT partioning. When GPT and MBR get desynchronized - which happens when you write Grub or generic boot code to MBR, rEFIt should normally issue a warning an offer to repare it.

What’s the output of

sudo /sbin/fdisk -l 

under Fedora?

Is the GPT partition still there?

THIS IS WHAT I GET:

Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders, total 625142448 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x0007e539

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 * 2048 1026047 512000 83 Linux
/dev/sda2 1026048 625141759 312057856 8e Linux LVM

Disk /dev/mapper/vg_abfaria-lv_swap: 8120 MB, 8120172544 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 987 cylinders, total 15859712 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x00000000

Disk /dev/mapper/vg_abfaria-lv_swap doesn’t contain a valid partition table

Disk /dev/mapper/vg_abfaria-lv_root: 53.7 GB, 53687091200 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 6527 cylinders, total 104857600 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x00000000

Disk /dev/mapper/vg_abfaria-lv_root doesn’t contain a valid partition table

Disk /dev/sdb: 3963 MB, 3963617280 bytes
128 heads, 63 sectors/track, 960 cylinders, total 7741440 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x00000000

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sdb1 8192 7741439 3866624 b W95 FAT32

Disk /dev/mapper/vg_abfaria-lv_home: 257.7 GB, 257731592192 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 31334 cylinders, total 503382016 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x00000000

Disk /dev/mapper/vg_abfaria-lv_home doesn’t contain a valid partition table


The odd part is that I have 2 hard disks…one installed on the laptop and a spare one. When I put in the spare on (which has a clone of the one whcih had lion installed MINUS all the junk that happened = meaning it should be fine) my laptop won’t boot from the dvds either. I wonder why? it seems to be HD independent. Again would MBR or the other thing you referred to have anything to do with it? If so, how can I fix that. Now that I have Fedora installed how can I fix the mbr? I mostly care about installing Suse but it would be nice to be able to dual boot it with os x.

Thanks again…

I read that thread - thanks…but I don’t have os x on my internal drive now and my other HD I’ve done some playing around - chaning flags to boot etc that now it gives a corrupted files warning when I look at it from gparted or disc utility.

I guess this is what I wuld like to know: I have Fedora 15 on my internat hard drive and nothing else. I want to install Suse from my DVD - how in the world do I do that since the **** laptop won’t read from the DVD?

Thanks guys and sorry for making it difficult…

Now that I’ve read the thread from the beginning, I can see your issue is not being able to boot from the openSUSE install disc. You do need to be able to determine the integrity of that iso burn. Does a gparted CD/DVD work OK?

Your internal hd is not usable by OS X (anymore). Somehow you have destroyed the GPT partition. Here’s how my OS X/openSUSE dual boot looks like:

Disk /dev/sda: 250.1 GB, 250059350016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders, total 488397168 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x00002652

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1               1      409639      204819+  ee  GPT
/dev/sda2          409640   352469031   176029696   af  HFS / HFS+
/dev/sda3   *   352731176   488134983    67701904   83  Linux

If you compare with your output (below), you can see that:

  • the GTP partition is gone (probably destroyed by Fedora’s setup)
  • your first partition starts at sector 2048 an there isn’t enough room for a GTP partition.
Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders, total 625142448 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x0007e539

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 * 2048 1026047 512000 83 Linux
/dev/sda2 1026048 625141759 312057856 8e Linux LVM

The golden rule while installing Linux (at least Legacy Grub based ones) on Mac hardware is to NOT write anything to the MBR. I really don’t know why your Mac OS X dvd doesn’t boot - and I don’t know enough about OS X boot process to help with that. I assume you tried both Lion and Snow Leopard DVDs. The only thing I can think of is that the OS doesn’t find a GUID partition table and gets stuck… Assuming the DVDs and your DVD drive are OK, I wonder if you should not wipe out the hard disk or at least the first track. IMO, it should be possible to boot the OS X DVD on a MacBook with a blank hard disk… If I were it this situation, I would probably wipe out the internal hard disk (or at least the first track) and install OSX, than resize the HFS partition with disk utilities and install openSUSE in this partition (without creating any other partition - use a swap file later - and without installing Grub nor generic boot code in MBR). Your openSUSE dvd might indeed be bad. Actually, you might have two different problems: a bad openSUSE DVD (which would explains why openSUSE doesn’t boot) and a broken GPT partition (which might explain why your OS X DVD doesn’t start). I would ask an Apple technician or retailer whether it is possible to install OS X on a blanked hard disk on your laptop.

**I do believe the cd/dvd works ok…to be honest with you I’ve burned 30 cds/dvds all using different software like poweriso, native windows iso burning software on win 7 (my other pc), And like I said before, fedora burned this way boots, nothing else will. What happenes is my mac takes inthe disc, I can hear for abut 40 seconds that it’s spinning it trying to read, and then gives up spits it out and boots fedora. I mean do you think it could be the discs here? And if so, then why did I have the issue with my other hard drive which was purely osx untouched by linux or bootcamp. You know what I’m saying? When this first happened with my original HD I took it out and swapped it for my “clone” HD which had only osx that originally worked perfect. But because something had happened with the first HD the second wouldn’t work either. It’s like something is wrong on the computer not the HD. This is my writing in plain words and I have no clue what the reasoning behind it is…the best thing I could think of was the MBR. **

Sorry for making this red/bold I just wanted for everyone to read this and see where I’m coming from…

Thanks for the info. This really helps. But I wonder why I was not able to boot from OSX when I swapped my hard drives. The hard drive I swapped in was a clone of the one inside my mac - but cloned before I did bootcamp/fedora installing so it should have worked perfectly but didn’t. This is what puzzles me and makes me think that there is more than HD or DVD issue like you said. But technically speaking…what else could be wrong on my mac? Since I thought MBR and partition table were all written on HD so why would it not work if I put in the new HD? IS there something on the laptop that could have been destroyed? Sorry if I’m missing something obvious here but I am a newbie to all this. Thanks

What do you exactly mean by swapping hard drives on your laptop?

Yes, MBR (master boot record) is the first sector of the harddisk on legacy PC hardware (using BIOS). Mac hardware is different and doesn’t have a BIOS but EFI, which uses GPT (GUID partition table). In order to make it possible to boot Windows and Linux, Mac OS X uses a hybrid GPT/MBR. If GPT and MBR partition tables get desynchronised, you have a problem. I found a very interesting page: rEFIt - Myths and Facts About Intel Macs. This (quoted from this page) is what I suspected:

However, the Mac OS X Installer will refuse to put a fresh copy of Mac OS X on a disk that’s not using GPT. You can work around this using cloning tools like SuperDuper! or Carbon Copy Cloner. Install Mac OS X on a GPT-partitioned disk first, then clone it onto the disk of your choice.

Apple’s firmware updates are another issue. The exact requirements are not known at this time, but they are known to not work if you don’t have GPT and you don’t have a EFI System Partition.

Yes, the GPT of your internal disk. That’s what I suggested you ask an Apple technician or retailer (don’t remember if I did but I intended to) if you can install OS X on a blanked hard disk?

I don’t think you’re missing something but you might have two different problems, which are not necessarely related but happen simoultaneously. It’s often the case with computers. Never focus on a single issue!

What you could do:

  • Make sure that your DVD drive is OK. Download several Linux live systems, including small ones, such as Partition Magic, burn the isos and see if you’re able to boot them. That you can not boot an openSUSE DVD doesn’t mean much. I sometimes have similar issues - like being able to boot 11.4 DVD on all computers except one, which otherwise is able to boot any other DVD. There is sometimes no rational explanation, and replacing the DVD drive is faster than keeping wondering why it doesn’t work (in my case on PC hardware).
  • Find out if it’s possible to reinstall Mac OS X when your GPT is gone. In other words, how to install OS X on a empty hard disk? With Linux and Windows, it’s usually not a problem if the MBR is damaged or the partition table (included at the end of the MBR) is garbaged, as Linux and Windows setups will create new partitions (with or without your permission). I already had to blank the first sectors to erase Unix BSD disklabels while installing DragonFly BSD over FreeBSD. Don’t know if it’s releveant, but Mac OS X is internally based on FreeBSD 5. Anyway, wiping out the first sectors of a hard disk might be a good idea and sometimes necessary to cleanly install an operating system. But I don’t need to mention that it would make all the data on your hdd unrecoverable. I just don’t know if you can do that before installing a “proprietary” OS like Mac OS X on its native hardware. Actually what would you do if your hard disk got broken?

I just installed openSUSE 11.4 on my mid 2009 MacBook Pro over OS X Lion. I did it by connecting an external USB Mouse, using the NET install DVD and the KDE Partition Tool found at the OpenSuse website in the downloads section.

First I used an old copy of WindowsXP, started the install process, and at about 50% violently CRASH the computer! Hold the Option key down at restart, EJECT XP, and throw it out the window where it belongs. You will not need it again!

Install the KDE Partition Tool which is essentially a Live CD OS in its own right with a Disk Utility like that of GhostBSD. I find it to be a MacBook Pro owners best friend. Partition your HD (or HD’s). Play with it and find anything left on your old mangled HD, which hopefully will be fully empty. Note, when you install openSUSE it will compress any residual “stuff” into about a 20GB partition which theoretically can be fiddled with later sometime when I grow up. Do the partition work, and when it shows a gpt partition map, your done.

Do the Restart. Install the openSUSE 11.4 NET DVD. At the install prompt, change the optional command line to blank, then ADD without the quotes, " nomodeset " . I find this nomodeset thing a must do on every reboot even after installing so far. This seems to force the installation to look for occult and esoteric things not commonly found in Windows Hardware, but seems to be the norm on Apple based Hardware. I warn too, use an external fan to help cool your MacBook. Mine is still installing packages by the 1,000’s (like an idiot, I did the Install Everything shot, which is a MASSIVE DOWNLOAD with MASSIVE DEPENDENCIES possibly 40+Gigs worth). I still have not fully configured everything. So it gets very hot, but useful for keeping my coffee warm for this long process.

When the computer restarts after install. Chances are your DVD will be helplessly stuck in there. Hold the option key down while it reboots if and probably so, it happens. Wait, and the disks will show, right arrow to the DVD and eject. Crash the computer.

Drink some coffee and have a smoke if you smoke. I start eating seeds about now to keep me from grinding my teeth. For the first boot of openSUSE to get the Autoconfigure to work mostly, try to make sure you get that " nomodeset " line in there. Try the boot from openSuse first. If it goes blank, crash, and go into the failsafe mode. After trying several times, you will eventually get openSUSE going. Try to get to the boot configuration in the menu which is somewhat tricky to find after coming from OS X.

I find the more I reboot, the better things get. But I still always have to type " nomodeset " before I boot openSUSE. Like I said, I am still installing since my system is only 12 hours old now, on a SLOW Internet connection getting about 5kbps average download (yes, we have the slowest ISP in the World!!! in Saipan; most bottom ranking on the planet, so if I can do it, you can do it!).

The upside is, in the Novel sponsored openSUSE sites lie repositories such as iSight drivers and apparently everything else needed to absolutely CONVERT the MacBook Pro into a useful computer again after experiencing OS X 7 which in my opinion made Windows seem like a far superior OS for users.

One OS that helped me while my computer was DEAD, was GhostBSD. However, the other night, the developer changed the installer in it, so I am not sure if it still works? It was useful to load GhostBSD and search forums and download/burn disks while trying to get openSUSE figured out. The KDE Partition tool is also very useful for a temporary OS that has a web browser in it; it loads faster than lightening. Another good OS to use as a Disk Manager and Partition Tool on a blank HD is APTOSID. However, it is not as simple to use as KDE or GhostBSD since it assumes a person using it is savvy of all the jargon.

I find 99 out of 100 times the first few restarts with openSUSE, openIndiana, PC-BSD (I suspect is not really FreeBSD but Debian mostly) and GhostBSD & APTOSID require typing in the " nomodeset " command. All you have to do is start typing when the menu shows the boot options. You will see the string form below. delete whats there, unless you know other commands, and simply type nomodeset. Move the up/down arrow to the boot load, safe mode, install, etc… You will get a workable system up.

Note too, that if downloading your ISO from a Windows machine, something inside the system fights your download and will try to give you a bad ISO. I try to always use an older STABLE version of FireFox for ISO downloads. Vendors like OS-DISK and buying the box set can save a lot of headache because getting a perfect ISO these days off the Internet, with the over burdened servers and traffic is getting harder each day. I suspect too that entities like Google with their own OS out, and Apple/Win throw little pieces of trash out (malicious hack) to make getting away from them harder. When in doubt, make sure your ISO/IMG is pristine to begin with, or your foundation will be screwed up like my head is already, and the switch to FREEDOM could have you in the Psych Ward like the VA wants to do to me now. Do not trust the VA, Apple, or Windows. They do not condone FREEDOM.

Tschus.

This is a totally different problem, not specific to Mac hardware and widely discussed in the forum. You can add ‘nomodeset’ to the line booting your kernel (lines starting with “kernel”) in /boot/grub/menu.lst and you won’t have to type ‘nomodeset’ before booting. You might also want to disable KMS in initrd

Yast -> /etc/sysconfig Editor -> System -> kernel -> NO_KMS_IN_INITRD=yes

to avoid embedding the graphics module in the initial ramdisk. If your MacBook has an ATI graphics card, you can install and use atiupgrade](http://forums.opensuse.org/content/46-ati-driver-atiupgrade.html) (which was actually written on an iMac) to (easily) install the proprietary ATI driver.

On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 23:16:03 GMT, johnd0884
<johnd0884@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

>
>Yes I burned the Lion DVD from the dmg. Still nothing will work. I
>cannot reinstall lion or snow leopard. It’s like nothing works on my
>macbook that’s why im thinking my mbr is messed up and it wont load a
>boot from an iso disc but why would it work for fedora only though? Do
>you know how I can check the mbr or how to reset the mbr somehow?

Are you very sure that the DVDs were closed properly?

?-)

On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:26:03 GMT, johnd0884
<johnd0884@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

>
>deano_ferrari;2396419 Wrote:
>> Now that I’ve read the thread from the beginning, I can see your issue
>> is not being able to boot from the openSUSE install disc. You do need to
>> be able to determine the integrity of that iso burn. Does a gparted
>> CD/DVD work OK?
>
>I DO BELIEVE THE CD/DVD WORKS OK…TO BE HONEST WITH
>YOU I’VE BURNED 30 CDS/DVDS ALL USING DIFFERENT SOFTWARE LIKE POWERISO,
>NATIVE WINDOWS ISO BURNING SOFTWARE ON WIN 7 (MY OTHER PC), AND LIKE I
>SAID BEFORE, FEDORA BURNED THIS WAY BOOTS, NOTHING ELSE WILL. WHAT
>HAPPENES IS MY MAC TAKES INTHE DISC, I CAN HEAR FOR ABUT 40 SECONDS THAT
>IT’S SPINNING IT TRYING TO READ, AND THEN GIVES UP SPITS IT OUT AND
>BOOTS FEDORA. I MEAN DO YOU THINK IT COULD BE THE DISCS HERE? AND IF SO,
>THEN WHY DID I HAVE THE ISSUE WITH MY OTHER HARD DRIVE WHICH WAS PURELY
>OSX UNTOUCHED BY LINUX OR BOOTCAMP. YOU KNOW WHAT I’M SAYING? WHEN THIS
>FIRST HAPPENED WITH MY ORIGINAL HD I TOOK IT OUT AND SWAPPED IT FOR MY
>“CLONE” HD WHICH HAD ONLY OSX THAT ORIGINALLY WORKED PERFECT. BUT
>BECAUSE SOMETHING HAD HAPPENED WITH THE FIRST HD THE SECOND WOULDN’T
>WORK EITHER. IT’S LIKE SOMETHING IS WRONG ON THE COMPUTER NOT THE HD.
>THIS IS MY WRITING IN PLAIN WORDS AND I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THE REASONING
>BEHIND IT IS…THE BEST THING I COULD THINK OF WAS THE MBR.
>
>Sorry for making this red/bold I just wanted for everyone to read this
>and see where I’m coming from…

The frustration was already coming through quite clearly. Being better
about doing the things asked of you will relax everyone.

?-)

If the install DVD doesn’t boot - as in your case - try to press F8 and enter -s. Does it do something? If it does, you might be able to use fdisk. Not sure if you shouldn’t use the raw disk device (/dev/rdisk0) as in this example from Ubuntu Oneiric guide: Installing Ubuntu after Mac OS X

OS X fdisk man page…

**FIRST OF ALL - THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR RESPONDING!!! I DIDN’T EXPECT TO GET SO MUCH HELP!!! **

**ILL TRY TO CLARIFY SOME THINGS HERE:

  1. What do I mean by swapping second HD? Let’s run the story of my macbook again from scratch. I had a macbook with Hard Drive A inside. HDA had os x lion installed. All was beautiful. I then cloned HDA onto a new, better hard drive I got for myself, let’s call it Hard Drive B. I took out HDA (kept it to have a copy of my files just in case something like this happened) and I put in the cloned HDB inside. HDB was running my computer with the osx lion beautifully for a month until I decided I wanted to try out Open Suse. So, I followed these steps because I red them online somewhere: a) I made a partition on HDB using boot camp but did not install windows (obvious!!!); b) I installed REFIT; c) I rebooted the computer with Open Suse. Didn’t want to install so I put in a Fedora 15 Live CD since it was the only live CD I had vs Open Suse DVD. Fedora booted from CD. And then hell happened. I closed Fedora, took out the CD and tried to reboot into osx but I got that message that no bootable device or something like that. THEN after some time of playing with holding c keys, option booting etc, I TOOK OUT HDB FROM MY COMPUTER AND PUT IN HDA BACK IN - THE ORIGINAL HD. I would think HDA was in perfect working condition and expected it to book osx BUT IT DID NOT. IT GAVE ME THE SAME ERROR OF NO BOOTABLE DEVICE. That’s what confuses me. **

  2. Yes I am sure the DVDs were closed properly. I used my old windows machine to make the DVDs. I made lots of them including the Fedora that did boot right. I have few copies of osx, suse and I also tried usb booting. I even used software to burn iso from dmg for osx.

  3. I will try the F8 boot and will burn new DVD for suse just to make sure it’s not a DVD issue and will let you know how that goes! Thanks for the great info!!!

  4. I am calling apple store today to find out if I can install mac under a blanked HD. Will let you know what they say soon.

  5. As far as osX is concerned…maybe I burned the DVDs wrong. I did 2 things - 2 versions of which none works - this is for Lion. First I converted DMG file to ISO and burned that as image using PowerIso. Second option: I took the DMG file and used Macripper or something like that I forget - it’s a software for windows that lets you make bootable image discs for macs. Which approach should work? Maybe I got something wrong there. This is as far osx is concerned because as far as Linux - I just burned the iso’s and nothing!

Thanks again for all your help!

So, we’re not dealing with internal and external hdds? You actually replaced the internal hard disk of your MacBook. That was actually my question.

Bootcamp wasn’t necessary since you didn’t plan to install Windows. Simply resizing with Disk utilities would have been enough, but it shouldn’t matter.

So the question is: what did you do during Fedora setup? Fedora installs Grub into MBR by default. openSUSE puts a generic bootcode into MBR by default. From a Mac hybrid GPT/MBR, they’re both wrong.

Hmm … if things really happened the way you described, I would say that:

  1. You screwed up the GPT of HDB - or even destroyed your OS X partition, which doesn’t show up in you fdisk output. Therefore neither the previously installed OS X nor the install DVD is able to boot.
  2. You didn’t put HDA back in your MacBook correctly (?)
  • I don’t have experience with replacing hard disks on MacBooks, and I don’t know if there are other things to consider. But if it doesn’t find a boot device, either the hard disk is missing (not connected properly) or broken.

**Yes - I swapped the HD correctly. I’ve done it numerous times before. I’ve cloned HDs on macbooks and used them interchangeably and it always worked fine.

Yes both HDs are internal!

Yes I installed GRUB while setting up Fedora. That was probably a bad move right?

Here’s what I’ll do: I’ll see if it is possible to install OSX on a blank HD and if that is the case, wipe out one of my HDs and reinstall osx on it, and then go about installing open suse doing partitioning in disc utility and not installing GRUB!! That was probably my biggest mistake from before.

I’ll also try the other options you guys told me if that fails. My primary goal is to get open suse on my computer but it would also be nice to get osx on first and then dual boot suse, because i dont think you can install osx while suse is running right?**