Hi,
If anyone can offer an explanation of what this Warning means and the implications or consequences of taking the offered alternatives, I’d be most grateful (and a little wiser:).
Regards, Martin
On 03/16/2011 10:06 AM, martinprowe wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> If anyone can offer an explanation of what this ‘Warning’
> (http://img.susepaste.org/34614352) means and the implications or
> consequences of taking the offered alternatives, I’d be most grateful
> (and a little wiser:).
it means that the thing you are wanting (or needing?) to install
(“preload-kmp-desktop” [a kernel module, but i don’t know why you
want/need to install it]) will NOT run in the kernel which is
currently installed/running (2.6.34.7)…
so, you are offered three options:
- remove your present kernel and DOWNgrade to a older one (2.6.31.5)
-
leave your kernel alone and NOT install preload-kmp-desktop [since i
don’t know what you are tying to install, where you got, or why you
want/need it, i can’t possibly tell you the consequences of not
installing it, except: you won’t have it] -
leave your kernel alone and go ahead and install preload-kmp-desktop
[it will NOT run in your kernel! so why install it?]
perhaps you want to fill us in on the whats and whys of the wants or
needs…if you need more specific consequences…
–
DenverD
CAVEAT: http://is.gd/bpoMD
[NNTP posted w/openSUSE 11.3, KDE4.5.5, Thunderbird3.1.8, nVidia
173.14.28 3D, Athlon 64 3000+]
“It is far easier to read, understand and follow the instructions than
to undo the problems caused by not.” DD 23 Jan 11
*
perhaps you want to fill us in on the whats and whys of the wants or
needs…if you need more specific consequences…
Hi DenverD,
Thank you for responding.
The environment here, is that following a clean install of 11.3, I have the kupdateapplet running on my taskbar. From time to time, it pops up a message that “New Software is available for your system” - so - I drop into the YaST Install/Remove software and run “Update if newer versions available”.
In this scenario (and I’m sure its the case for many others), it seems to me that I have two choices: Not upgrade at all - or trust the OpenSUSE package managers, and run the upgrades as they become available. I currently adopt the latter policy - I have no idea what I’m doing! So, as you will be able to guess, picking from the three options is not easy!
At the very highest level, my requirement is to try and keep my system up to date. If I opt to be selective, I am going to be constantly pestered by the kupdateappet? and the selection process is going to get even more convoluted!!
Oh, and I don’t want to break the Canon MP600 printer drivers that took me ages to get working (with the help of aztrix)
If this not an impossible request, I’d like to find the “easy way”
Regards, Martin
On 03/16/2011 12:06 PM, martinprowe wrote:
>
> If this not an impossible request, I’d like to find the “easy way”
>
i’ve been doing the impossible for a long time, and usually do it
pretty well…but, i don̈́’t think i can help you with “easy way”…
i’ve never used one, but as far as i have been told the most “easy
way” in IT is to buy an Apple Mac, but that is also the most expensive
way…and, the next “easiest way” is probably considered by many to
buy something sold by MS…but, like me you have elected to go a
different way (yeah!)…
‘they’ call it free and open source software, but it ain’t free
because instead of paying for Mac’s “just works” WITH ease, you have
to pay (with your own time) to learn how to administer your system…
[with the Mac, i’m told, you get to be ‘just’ a user…NOT so, with
either MS or open source…in those two you either take an active amd
diligent role in administering your system, OR you buy a new machine
every time the one you have stops working–OR you hire an
administrator (aka: ‘tech’) to un-kink all the wires you, as ‘just a
user’, balled up]…
ok, IT Philosophy 101 complete, for now…and, so i turn to your
‘problem’:
first, the update app ‘looks’ at the software on your machine and
compares it to the software in the openSUSE 11.3 update repo on some
internet server…and, if the software on your machine is older than
the software in the update repo it tells you about it…
that is all it does!
it can’t decide for you if the software on your machine is what YOU
need to (for example) support a business application critical to your
livelihood, or to keep your favorite game ding-dinging as you like, or
to stay compatible with your online banking security requirements, or
to continue working with a Nokia phone or a Canon MP600 printer…
and, if the update apt can’t make the decision and the user has “no
idea what I’m doing!” then it gets kinda sticky . . . kinda quickly…
in this situation, if it were my machine i would not let it change
kernels, and i would not let it install a package which is known to
not work with your kernel…and, the remaining choice is then to not
install this piece of software…
now, since (all/almost/most) everything in the update repo is a
security patch or crippling bug fix (not a simple change in color
scheme, or ding-ding setting) there is the high likelihood that by not
updating your 11.3 it won’t be as safe as you (and the openSUSE
community) would like it to be…so, be careful…exercise all the
good security practices i know you take already, everyday…
note: i ran openSUSE 10.3 for over 15 months past its last security
update and never worried about its integrity or security for one
minute! [but, i normally take a LOT of security precautions] so, it
may NOT always be wise to just automatically install whatever the
updater script says it has newer for you! instead, think about it…
read about it…come here and ask about it…then decide…
sorry, if my method irritates you…its the best i can do.
–
DenverD
CAVEAT: http://is.gd/bpoMD
[NNTP posted w/openSUSE 11.3, KDE4.5.5, Thunderbird3.1.8, nVidia
173.14.28 3D, Athlon 64 3000+]
“It is far easier to read, understand and follow the instructions than
to undo the problems caused by not.” DD 23 Jan 11
DenverD wrote:
> On 03/16/2011 12:06 PM, martinprowe wrote:
>>
>> If this not an impossible request, I’d like to find the “easy way”
>>
> in this situation, if it were my machine i would not let it change
> kernels, and i would not let it install a package which is known to not
> work with your kernel…and, the remaining choice is then to not
> install this piece of software…
Let me start by saying that I agree with DenverD’s suggestion that
selecting the second choice is the best thing to do.
> now, since (all/almost/most) everything in the update repo is a security
> patch or crippling bug fix
What that message says is that the update is broken. Either within
itself or because of something about the way your system is configured.
So you need to find out why.
I suggest that you start a new topic with the actual package mentioned
in the subject instead of saying “this message”. That way some people
who have some idea of what’s happening may spot the message.
On 03/16/2011 02:34 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:
> What that message says is that the update is broken. Either within
> itself or because of something about the way your system is configured.
> So you need to find out why.
agree…i guess (maybe assume is more correct) something that was
done previously (maybe getting that %¤"& Cannon to print) may have
caused a kernel change…
but, certainly the update script is trying to do something that
shouldn’t be happening…
–
DenverD
CAVEAT: http://is.gd/bpoMD
[NNTP posted w/openSUSE 11.3, KDE4.5.5, Thunderbird3.1.8, nVidia
173.14.28 3D, Athlon 64 3000+]
“It is far easier to read, understand and follow the instructions than
to undo the problems caused by not.” DD 23 Jan 11
DenverD wrote:
> On 03/16/2011 02:34 PM, Dave Howorth wrote:
>> What that message says is that the update is broken. Either within
>> itself or because of something about the way your system is configured.
>> So you need to find out why.
>
> agree…i guess (maybe assume is more correct) something that was done
> previously (maybe getting that %¤"& Cannon to print) may have caused a
> kernel change…
I think that kernel is just the normal current kernel for 11.3. I’ve
seen weird things to do with preload recently (whatever preload is) such
as it being broken in buildservice. And that preload package looks like
it belongs to the original kernel that was shipped with 11.3. So
something’s out of whack.
(caution - I didn’t check the detailed release numbers)
That’s why I suggested an explicit thread so somebody who knows might
see it.
Ah, yes… That sounds like a step in the right direction. May I make one last request in this thread? In the light if my inexperience, could you approve (or improve) a suitable subject header?
This is the text from the YaST description tab for the suggested upgrade:
kernel-default - The Standard Kernel
The standard kernel for both uniprocessor and multiprocessor systems.
Source Timestamp: 2010-12-13 11:13:53 +0100 GIT Revision: 4d4b10f46816e1f07295489b7e10352799e6aaf9 GIT Branch: openSUSE-11.3
So, will “This Kernel Update is giving me a conflict message” and in the body of the message include susepaste links to the conflicts.txt and screenshot?
Best regards, Martin
martinprowe wrote:
> This is the text from the YaST description tab for the suggested
> upgrade:
> Code:
> --------------------
>
> kernel-default - The Standard Kernel
>
> The standard kernel for both uniprocessor and multiprocessor systems.
> Source Timestamp: 2010-12-13 11:13:53 +0100 GIT Revision: 4d4b10f46816e1f07295489b7e10352799e6aaf9 GIT Branch: openSUSE-11.3
> --------------------
>
> So, will “-This Kernel Update is giving me a conflict message-” and in
> the body of the message include susepaste links to the conflicts.txt and
> screenshot?
I would try to work specifics into the title so I’d suggest something like:
“11.3 kernel-default update gives conflict for preload-kmp-desktop”
And I would copy all the text of the messages into the body of the
posting rather than using links. Links mean people have to decide
they’re interested before they see what it is they might be interested
in! And they’re not searchable by readers in the future.
Cheers, Dave
A look at the active repos may be in order.
zypper lr -d
The environment here, is that following a clean install of 11.3, I have the kupdateapplet running on my taskbar. From time to time, it pops up a message that “New Software is available for your system” - so - I drop into the YaST Install/Remove software and run “Update if newer versions available”.
@martinprowe
It is allready way up in this thread that you posted this and I only glanced through everything said after that post, but I doubt if anybody told you you probably have a misconception here.
The update aplett only tells you of software made available in the Update repo (that are Security and Recommended ones belonging to your official openSUSE release). You can then use the aplett to install those (or use other methods).
But it is definitely not the same as using one or all of your other repos (not the Update one) and doing “Update if a newer version is available”. It will install those from Update (except when you choose one repo only from the Repositories View) AND ALSO all newer version on the other repos. Those will NOT be on the official OSS and nonOSS ones because there are (normaly) none during the lifetime of an openSUSE verssion, but those from other repos like Packman and those you may have added.
I hope this information helps in understanding what everybody is saying and what happened on your system.
Thanks Dave,
Very helpfull.
Regards, Martin
Hi again Henk,
I’m starting to recognise some farmiliar friends (if I may regard you all as such?) here in the Forum.
And, yes I’m sure that I have a “misconception”. I spend most of my life missunderstanding most thing!!
Never mind. I’m trying to learn…
Regards, Martin
You are welcome Martin, also as a friend ;).