I had switched over to linux about a year back . I have both Suse 11.2 (with KDE) and Fedora 10 (with GNome) on my laptop. Recently I was trying to use Epivalley USB modem for internet connection. Though both the operating systems recognize the hardware but refuse to connect either through kinternet or wvdial. (Please see my posting yesterday for expert advice which is yet to come). With Fedora it says Selinux problem. After wasting almost 48 hrs i decided to check the modem itself through WinXp for which supplier provide supports. So reinstalled Winxp and the modem works fine. I did not switch off the modem and rebooted in Suse. To my surprise it got connected with one click on kinternet icon. I then rebooted in Fedora and it gets autometically connected though the same warning that Selinux is preventing connection is displayed. Repeated trial gave the same result and it is working fine with linux so long I reboot via WinXp.
Though I had given up Windows I think I have to live with it so long I want my internet trough Epivalley Modem. I would like to have some advise from Linux Gurus.
I would like to throw my two cents in here if I may. Anyone that manufacturers a PC part is not going to sell it and make money if they do not include a current Windows driver. Further, many companies have no interest in working with Linux to make sure their product works with Linux. So, it is no surprise to have a PC part that either does not work with Linux or requires setup in Windows before it will work in Linux.
Now consider that older hardware may work with Windows XP, but will not work with Windows 7 or Windows Vista. Remember about all of the DLL file problems in XP that caused one program to kill another? Every operating system has its issues. Consider how well Windows Vista went over as opposed to the new Windows 7. If it is your intent on using Linux, you might have to look at hardware that is intended on working with Linux.
Finally, I am not a purest. By that I mean, I still have running copies of Windows. In one case I run Windows XP so I can use a TV card and PVR Software. It works as I want and there is no reason to change it. I have a running copy of Windows 7 which I have used to test Samba file sharing with. While I feel everyone should be using Linux, we live in a world were Windows is everywhere. Instead of holding my nose up to Windows I realize we must learn to live with and work with it in our daily lives. I am not too proud to use Windows to configure a piece of hardware so it will work with Linux.
So to answer your question in today’s world, I say that Windows and Linux need each other to continue to exist. Does the existence of Linux cause Microsoft to do even better with Windows due to the competition? What about all of the Web servers out there that use Linux? What about the many innovative software writers that write for Linux, has any of that had an influence on Windows? I am not sure, but I take the world as it is and do the most I can with it, even if I must use Microsoft Windows when I must.
Thank You,
You may have better luck with the subject line: How to connect internet through Epivalley Modem ? … and then in your post provide techical details on this modem.
Unfortunately, our technical experts tend to be techincal experts, and they simply will NOT read a thread that states “Can Linux Exist without Microsoft Windows”. We get too many flames, trolls etc … that make posts with subjects like that, so when a valid technical one (like yours) comes out, the experts will NOT read it (they will not go past the title and look inside) because the title suggests something else.
May I suggest you start a new thread with a better subject title ? Don’t forget to includes salient technical information on your modem inside the new starting post for the thread.
I do not rate me a guru but:
I think for your modem exists only a closed source driver and your linux operating system is using that driver on the MS operating system indirectly:
SDB:WinModems and Linux - openSUSE
Modem-HOWTO: Modems for a Linux PC
Softmodem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I do not know it you can delete now the MS operating system or if you have to leave it on your computer for that indirect use. Maybe an other user knows that. (Or you can try out by not mounting the MS related partition(s)?).
Greetings
pistazienfresser
@oldcpu: Ups, I started my posting and posted it before I saw yours. Sorry.
Greetings pistazienfresser
No worries, if you can help user kkphani on this thread, then that is great. Thankyou very much for your input.
I am just worried that user kkphani with their post may not get the attention they deserve due to a poorly chosen title.
The problem was posted yesterday with all the details. Unfortunately no response as yet.
Thanks.
I take it then it is this thread:
Epivalley Sec 8380 mobile connection
… what we typically do in such a case, after a few days to a week, is reply to our own post with the words “bump” or something like that, to move the post up in order of the new post list.
Often a user will have a question where on our openSUSE forum there may be at most only a couple of guru’s who may know the answer, and there is a high probability that those guru’s (both of whom will be volunteers) are on vacation or on a business trip, or have something major going on in their life, and it may be days before they revisit the forum. Hence it can be days before one gets a response to a request for help.
The easier questions tend to get immediate responses as everyone knows the answer 
Thanls, Does not work for Suse
Does your (?mobile phone net/3G/UMTS?) modem really only work with linux based operating systems if you “reboot via WinXP”
(so you have to start the modem from XP but can go on running it from a free system)
or just from now on as you have installed the MiroSoft operating system and openSUSE and Fedora have access to it?
Greetings pistazienfresser
Yes it only works if i boot in WinXp, connect and disconnect without switching off the modem and then reboot and start Suse. It does with one click on kinternet icon.
I do not know how openSuse and Fedora can have access to Microsoft operating system when it is on a seperate partition and the system has been rebooted in openSuse or Fedora Linux systems which are mounted on separate ext3 and LVM partitions respectively.
S…:X
If that is so
I assume your (3G ?) modem gets started with WinXP
and if it is already running
it can be used with an other operating system without any driver on it.
If so you may:
- look at the MS driver and what it is doing/how it is communicating with your modem and try to emulate it (that would be to hight for me…)
- hope and search for someone who has done 1) already
- ask the vendor/manufacturer/network operator for a linux driver
- use an other device (mobile phone with bluetooth, modem that can connect to the net just by an click on a bottom on the modem, …) to connect and use the mobile (phone) network
Good luck
pistazienfresser
Thanks for your suggestions.
Is your USB modem one of those that initially behaves as a disk drive
containing a driver, and after that is “ejected” it changes to a modem?
Please compare the output of ‘lsusb’ when you have warm booted from
Windows (when it works), and when you have done a cold boot (when it
fails). If the identification is different, then we know where to start
looking.
Thanks.
yes it is a dual mode device. Sometimes when I cold boot and plug in the device it shows as cdrom and I have to eject to make it a modem.
My device vendor ID is 1b7d and product id 0001.
Here are the outputs of lsusb after warm and cold booting
WARM:
001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0483:2016 SGS Thomson Microelectronics Fingerprint Reader
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 005 Device 002: ID 1b7d:0001
Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 006 Device 002: ID 093a:2510 Pixart Imaging, Inc. Hama Optical Mouse
Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
COLD:
001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0483:2016 SGS Thomson Microelectronics Fingerprint Reader
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 005 Device 006: ID 1b7d:0002
Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 006 Device 002: ID 093a:2510 Pixart Imaging, Inc. Hama Optical Mouse
Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
As you can see in cold booting product Id value changes and it creates a different /dev/ttyACM every time I plug in cold. I was trying to configure it through usb_modeswitch and given below are two outputs of mod_switch command:
usb_modeswitch -W -v 0x1b7d -p 0x0001
Taking all parameters from the command line
- usb-modeswitch: handle USB devices with multiple modes
- Version 1.1.3 (C) Josua Dietze 2010
- Based on libusb0 (0.1.12 and above)
! PLEASE REPORT NEW CONFIGURATIONS !
DefaultVendor= 0x1b7d
DefaultProduct= 0x0001
TargetVendor= not set
TargetProduct= not set
TargetClass= not set
TargetProductList=""
DetachStorageOnly=0
HuaweiMode=0
SierraMode=0
SonyMode=0
GCTMode=0
MessageEndpoint= not set
MessageContent=""
NeedResponse=0
ResponseEndpoint= not set
Interface=0x00
InquireDevice enabled (default)
Success check disabled
System integration mode disabled
Looking for default devices …
searching devices, found USB ID 1d6b:0002
searching devices, found USB ID 1d6b:0002
searching devices, found USB ID 1d6b:0001
searching devices, found USB ID 1d6b:0001
searching devices, found USB ID 0483:2016
searching devices, found USB ID 1d6b:0001
searching devices, found USB ID 1b7d:0001
found matching vendor ID
found matching product ID
adding device
searching devices, found USB ID 1d6b:0001
searching devices, found USB ID 093a:2510
searching devices, found USB ID 1d6b:0001
Found devices in default mode or class (1)
Accessing device 002 on bus 005 …
Not a storage device, skipping SCSI inquiry
USB description data (for identification)
Manufacturer: EpiValley Incorporated
Product: EpiValley CDMA USB Modem
Serial No.: not provided
Warning: no switching method given.
-> Run lsusb to note any changes. Bye.
usb_modeswitch -W
- usb-modeswitch: handle USB devices with multiple modes
- Version 1.1.3 (C) Josua Dietze 2010
- Based on libusb0 (0.1.12 and above)
! PLEASE REPORT NEW CONFIGURATIONS !
DefaultVendor= not set
DefaultProduct= not set
TargetVendor= not set
TargetProduct= not set
TargetClass= not set
TargetProductList=""
DetachStorageOnly=0
HuaweiMode=0
SierraMode=0
SonyMode=0
GCTMode=0
MessageEndpoint= not set
MessageContent=""
NeedResponse=0
ResponseEndpoint= not set
Interface=0x00
InquireDevice enabled (default)
Success check disabled
System integration mode disabled
No default vendor/product ID given. Aborting.
I am not able to configure. I have searched through this forum and usb_modeswitch forum for an answer but could not get any solution.
At least we know why it is happening. We just need to know how to mode
switch that device.
One way would be to install USB logging software on Windows and see what
commands are used to switch the device. Once those are known, then
usb_modeswitch can be modified to handle it. It has been a while since I
used a Windows version of a logger, but I do not remember it as being too
difficult to setup and use.
Windows is pretty much an abomination with a sufficent cash flow to keep it dominant. Microsoft have conned, bullied, cheated, bribed and pirated their way to defacto monopoly over office computing. All one needs do is set up a capture agent on a Windows dominated network and observe the traffic. It’s frightening.
For more insight - if that’s what you call understanding Windows networking - see:
http://ubiqx.org/cifs/images/coverimage.png](http://ubiqx.org/cifs/index.html)
Hi oldcpu;
I wonder if now would be a good time to merge this thread with
Epivalley Sec 8380 mobile connection
as the epivalley external modem is what the debate is about !