If I reinstall SUSE 11.4 will it go back to how it was? eg do an upgrade with the 11.4 dvd? So far Kmail/Kontact are messed up and non functioning, I’ve salvaged my address book and emails, but I can’t use them. Amarok is not working, and I’m not sure what else isn’t working at this time. My 11.4, everything worked fine, I don’t recall going through all this on the 11.4 upgrade. I love my linux, but I’m not knowledgeable enough to repair these problems. I’m sure they will get things straightened out, but for now I need a reliable functioning system. I have used linux for a few years now and I’ve always been able to do small fixes with the help I’ve found on the forums and responses I would get to my questions here. I think this is way beyond my capabilities right now. I haven’t updated my wifes computer or the laptop yet, I’ll wait until I see that the issues with 12.1 are addressed.
I’m thinking of going bak also, very buggy release. I have never seen such poor kde integration, that has always the strength of Osuse. Devs must headed in a different direction.
shockman wrote:
>
> If I reinstall SUSE 11.4 will it go back to how it was? eg do an upgrade
> with the 11.4 dvd? So far Kmail/Kontact are messed up and non
> functioning, I’ve salvaged my address book and emails, but I can’t use
> them. Amarok is not working, and I’m not sure what else isn’t working at
> this time. My 11.4, everything worked fine, I don’t recall going through
> all this on the 11.4 upgrade. I love my linux, but I’m not knowledgeable
> enough to repair these problems. I’m sure they will get things
> straightened out, but for now I need a reliable functioning system. I
> have used linux for a few years now and I’ve always been able to do
> small fixes with the help I’ve found on the forums and responses I would
> get to my questions here. I think this is way beyond my capabilities
> right now. I haven’t updated my wifes computer or the laptop yet, I’ll
> wait until I see that the issues with 12.1 are addressed.
I think that restoring from the backups everyone emphasized is the only
really good way - likely faster and a whole lot more reliable. Otherwise,
you’re facing things like config files that exist and therefore don’t get
updated like a first run, etc.
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Will Honea
On 2011-11-21 01:26, shockman wrote:
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> If I reinstall SUSE 11.4 will it go back to how it was? eg do an upgrade
> with the 11.4 dvd? So far Kmail/Kontact are messed up and non
The best thing is to restore the backup you always do before a dangerous
operation such as an upgrade >:-)
Hold on, do I hear you didn’t do a backup? Impossible…!
Well, you can do the reverse zypper dup, but results will not be good.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
On 11/21/2011 01:26 AM, shockman wrote:
> If I reinstall SUSE 11.4 will it go back to how it was? eg do an upgrade
> with the 11.4 dvd?
the upgrade built into the openSUSE 11.4 DVD is only for use from 11.3
to 11.4!
i’m just about positive you will be unhappy with the results of trying
to do the DVD upgrade (or downgrade!) from 12.1 to 11.4…
best to restore from your backup…
alternatively i’d guess the next best would be to save off all your data
to a safe (off machine) place and then do a fresh format and install of
11.4, then rebuild your system as you want it (adding and setting up the
applications you want) and rejoining the saved data…
it is a lot of work–which is why backup is so emphasized in the
upgrade how-tos:
http://tinyurl.com/35p966c
http://tinyurl.com/6kvoflv
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DD
dump Flash: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15797399
Ty for the info. Although I didn’t make a backup per say, we store all our photos and documents on a separate storage drive and an external drive. The only thing that was in danger was my email, but I did find and salvage those files too. I can open the emails one at a time, so I’m pretty sure they are there still. Its just a hassle to go through the setup again. I’ve already spent a lot of time, that is wasted time now, on the upgrade to 12.1 and ended up with a broken system.
This morning I tried to re download 12.1 thinking to make a fresh copy, but it appears the server is not working right now, (8am my time Vancouver Canada) Last night I tried to install a copy of fedora but it appears that the dvd drive is not working properly now, I guess all the activity this weekend wore it out…
I still have a couple of functioning boxes, including a windows7 working so I’ll survive. I have the day off, so I’ll still be messing with this probably the rest of the day, more experiments, and another learning curve.
On 11/21/2011 05:46 PM, shockman wrote:
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> I can open the emails one at a time, so I’m
> pretty sure they are there still.
- attention: kmail2 is BROKEN… the kde folks are aware of it and
working to fix it…
> This morning I tried to re download 12.1 thinking to make a fresh copy,
> but it appears the server is not working right now,
- info for next time: no need to re-download by “guessing” maybe you
have a bad download, instead just check it…find on the download
page <http://software.opensuse.org/> the link to “Download Help”
<http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Download_help> where you can learn how to
check the downloaded image (iso) look for “checksums”
and, once you have burned the disk, you can boot from it and check that
the install disk is perfect, this way: http://tinyurl.com/3qde66h
> so I’ll still be messing
> with this probably the rest of the day, more experiments, and another
> learning curve.
i would advise less “messing” and “experiments” and more reading…that
is, the kmail failure has been talked about for weeks (at least) maybe
months…see the beta forum <http://tinyurl.com/7y6mxvt>
so, if i were you i’d do what i’m doing: enjoying a nice predictable
11.4 and waiting for the dust to settle over the early
adopters…because no amount of experimenting or downloading is gonna
fix kmail2 today…
ymmv
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DD http://tinyurl.com/DD-Caveat
dump Flash: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15797399
OK Denver D, I get it ha-ha. Back to 11.4, and some reading. I’ll be checking out the info you told me, I didn’t know that I could do that, in regards to checking the image. The learning curve has started again… Thanks for the help and info.
>
> Thanks
welcome, and Have a lot of fun (learning!! [you won’t soon be bored])
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DD
Just out of curiosity, why would they release a version that’s not quite ready. New peeps that are migrating, may be scared off if by these issues. I’m just stubborn… and have a dislike for $windows$ so I hang in there, lol.
Like most others I really respect the peeps that do this work for open source and open suse, and wish I knew more about it so I could contribute. Since going to Linux, I’ve never looked back or regretted it one iota.
My 11.4 is back on and working great… mail too… 
Again ty for the info, its very much appreciated by users like myself.
On 2011-11-24 02:06, shockman wrote:
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> Just out of curiosity, why would they release a version that’s not
> quite ready. New peeps that are migrating, may be scared off if by these
> issues. I’m just stubborn… and have a dislike for $windows$ so I hang
> in there, lol.
You are part of that “they”. You did not test it before release and report
in bugzilla what did not work, so no wonder.
>:-)
Never, ever, a release is totally ready when it goes out. There are many
things left to polish or even repair. That is the way things work here. I
read a good explanation recently about that. After all packages get updated
to a good version and most issues solved, the versions are frozen, and then
only big issues are solved, the rest are left till after release.
There is no intention to get a perfect, no defects, release.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 01:06:02 +0000, shockman wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, why would they release a version that’s not quite
> ready.
Software is never “ready” - when a release schedule is put in place,
showstoppers will delay it, but if a problem isn’t a showstopper (which
is not just in terms of impact but likelihood of it being encountered),
that’s not going to hold a release up.
That’s the nature of software releases.
The thing that seems quite common with Linux releases is a whole boatload
of people try to install a new release the day of, and then when they run
into issues, they wonder why the software was released with those bugs.
Most of those issues are not showstoppers. That’s why.
For me, pan doesn’t work on 12.1 at all because of the change to GNOME3
and GTK3. Pan isn’t G*3 ready yet, apparently.
But that doesn’t mean they should hold the release up.
Other than pan not working and the G3 system monitor having a memory
leak, 12.1 has worked well for me on my laptop. It’s going to end up
installed on my new machine (hopefully here on Friday), but I’m going to
have to work around pan not running (a minimal 11.4 VM running in
VirtualBox seems to be a good option even on my laptop).
For those who need something that’s rock solid, I’d go with 11.4 and wait
until the early adopters have worked the kinks out of 12.1. Major issues
are caught during beta, but less likely issues aren’t caught until the
testing base grows with general release.
Expecting perfection from software, though? That’s folly.
Jim
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Jim Henderson
openSUSE Forums Administrator
Forum Use Terms & Conditions at http://tinyurl.com/openSUSE-T-C
On 11/24/2011 02:06 AM, shockman wrote:
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> Just out of curiosity, why would they release a version that’s not
> quite ready.
i take that as an honest question and think the constellation of
potential honest answers are many (and include those already offered by
Carlos (‘we’ are responsible for testing during the pre-release phase:
pitch in and test 12.2 when the first milestone rolls out, and join the
fun at <http://tinyurl.com/2du7r4s>) and Jim (it is the nature of the
beast–perfection is just not on the table)
of course, you might also ask that question of (say) any company or
community shipping a operating system–because they all have failed to
reach perfect…
and, last do not miss the opportunity to realize that if you want a
Linux which is “quite ready” step up to SUSE Linux Enterprise, or Red
Hat Enterprise, or IBM’s AIX all of those are miles ahead of openSUSE in
terms of ‘ready’ or stable, predictable, ‘certifiable’ etc…
when you download and install openSUSE (or Fedora, or Ubuntu, or or or)
you become part of the machinery who dreams, builds, tests, distributes,
patches and improves Free and Open Source Software [FOSS]…
so, as you ask your question stand in front of the mirror and replace
the “they” with a “we”…
> New peeps that are migrating, may be scared off if by these
> issues.
agree 1000%, which is one of the reasons i have said here many times:
openSUSE (and Linux in general) is not for everyone…
the timid and impatient will soon go elsewhere–and that is fine…i
mean, i’ve heard that not everyone likes chocolate…so, why expect all
to love openSUSE??
> I’m just stubborn… and have a dislike for $windows$ so I hang
> in there, lol.
hanging in there is good…
it is also good that mankind has operating systems which require less
patience and bravery (even if they do require a LOT more money and
tolerance for frustration, and viruses, key loggers, blue screens, etc
etc etc)
and, i’ll save the thousand words and just say i jumped off that Redmond
boat in 1995 when i moved to OS/2
> Like most others I really respect the peeps that do this work for open
> source and open suse, and wish I knew more about it so I could
> contribute.
keep it up and you will know more…you can contribute already, as
soon as anyone here figures out what is going on to the point they can
say “file a bug”, then it is your turn to give back to the community
and contribute to the march to perfection…
> Since going to Linux, I’ve never looked back or regretted it
> one iota.
> My 11.4 is back on and working great… mail too…
or, just keep listening–i suspect any day now there will be some tweeks
made to systemV, and they you can try another upgrade (be SURE to follow
a recommended and supported upgrade path, see:
http://tinyurl.com/35p966c and/or http://tinyurl.com/6kvoflv)
> Again ty for the info, its very much appreciated by users like myself.
thank yourself (for having the courage and patience to try!)
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DD
openSUSE®, the “German Engineered Automobiles” of operating systems!