Bunch of problems with openSUSE 11.4

Hi there. I’m kind of new to openSUSE (mainly Debian user), but i don’t think it really matters regarding the following several problems i’ve encountered using (trying out) openSUSE that i’m about to describe now. First of all, you might probably wanna know why i chose 11.4 and not 12.1. Well, the answer is simple: Gnome 2.32. And yes, just like many others i can’t use Gnome 3, that’s unbearable to me. I’ve heard that it’s kinda possible to get Gnome 2.32 on openSUSE 12 using 11.4 repos, but i doubt that it’s really a good thing to do. As for other WM’s, they don’t please my sight too much. And that’s not all. SUSE 11.4 software seems to be quite updated even today. At least it’s twice as newer than even on Debian stable that i’m still using, and having less probs than i had trying out openSUSE with newer kernel (2.6.37) and lotsa other stuff. So, obviously, lack of updates is not the issue here. And also it should be just fine for my hardware.

Now, for the problems i’ve discovered on SUSE 11.4. Of course, as usual they’re all simply ridiculous, but i won’t refer to SUSE as such now, 'cause all linux distros have such things. Most of them can be solved though, but like always you have to find out first how to accomplish that. Ok, here goes:

  1. Couldn’t turn off mic monitoring, could hear myself speaking/blowing into microphone. There was no option to turn it off, only to reduce it, but still audible. Probably some audio glitch as usual. That’s a minor problem, yet complementing the rest of it.

  2. Sun JAVA 7 or openjdk wouldn’t work properly (mainly java plugin). Again, some sound glitch. Applets tend to swallow bits and pieces of sound while running. Has been encountered on Debian too, but successfully solved. Same approach whatever it was has no effect on SUSE. The problem persists. Perhaps incorrect installation method, but i tried all i could. I think it’s something else.

  3. VLC player launches with quite a long delay for a lightweight player, that usually appears in a flash on any other platform/distro. Here it’s slow. Ran from the terminal - no errors. It’s simply delayed. When clicking through buncha clips that might be quite obstructive. Maybe launcher properties, dunno.

  4. No GKSU to my surprise. I need that BAD.

  5. For some reason most of apps refuse to run as root from the terminal reporting various errors.

  6. If turn compiz desktop effects on i get partial text corruption on some screens. Usually in browsers. Like bits and pieces were cut off the page.

Maybe it’s all lack of experience, but honestly, it just doesn’t look like that :slight_smile: Anyways, i’d be glad to receive any help on the given above issues.

Now for my hardware just in case:

AMD Athlon™ II X2 240 Processor (2800Mhz)
RAM: 4gb
Video: Nvidia GeForce GT240
Audio: onboard HDA Intel

  1. Can’t help you
  2. Using sun java and plugin only should work
  3. I noticed this delay of a few seconds. But I never looked in to it, I hardly use VLC (preferring smplayer)
  4. gnomesu gedit (to edit files)
  5. su -
  6. Never had this problem. You need to specify detail with screens and your settings for fonts and hinting.

FYI: 11.4 is IMO probably the best release of any distro in a long time.

There are many apps that should allow you to disable the mic. I prefer to use pulse audio volume control (pavucontrol) which I think is installed by default in gnome. If not, install it. Launch it by typing ‘pavucontrol’.

You should also be able to do this by launching ‘alsamixer’ and/or using ‘amixer’ (where the syntax for amixer is obscure, and you can read up on its syntax by typing ‘man amixer’ ).

On 02/20/2012 04:56 AM, Zelator wrote:
>
> 2) Sun JAVA 7 or openjdk wouldn’t work properly … Perhaps incorrect installation method, but i
> tried all i could. I think it’s something else.

-=WELCOME=- new poster!! happy to see you doing a test drive…

use YaST Software Management to uninstall openJDK…i do not know how
you installed SUN Java, but i use YaST Software Management to install
mine and it works fine (with openJDK uninstalled) in 11.4

i guess if you cleanly removed the SUN you installed, and then used
YaST to install, it might work…but, i do not think java plays a part
in any “sound qlitch”…i think your bad actor might be Flash.

> 3) VLC player launches with quite a long delay

quantify “long delay” is that 2 seconds or 25?

> 4) No GKSU to my surprise. I need that BAD.

never heard of it–what is it used for?

> 5) For some reason most of apps refuse to run as root from the terminal
> reporting various errors.

probably because you’re doing it ‘wrong’ for openSUSE, correct procedure
here is in a user terminal type


gnomesu <app>

and give root pass when asked

or type “su -” (see ) give root pass then the app executable name
(though, sometimes there will be a problem…which is avoided by using
gnomesu

> 6) If turn compiz desktop effects on i get partial text corruption on
> some screens. Usually in browsers. Like bits and pieces were cut off the
> page.

sounds like a video driver problem: http://tinyurl.com/37v9y7m

>
> Maybe it’s all lack of experience, but honestly, it just doesn’t look
> like that :slight_smile:

well, a thousand years experience in Debian will not prepare you for the
differences between the two distros! and, if when you wrote “mainly
Debian user” if you meant Debian spinoff, maybe this info on the
differences between openSUSE and Ubuntu will help some (and, maybe it
will also help a pure Debian user, i do not know):

http://tinyurl.com/ubuntu-to-openSUSE
http://tinyurl.com/Ubuntu-Differences

> Anyways, i’d be glad to receive any help on the given above
> issues.

THIS may be the most important thing i write: next time put only one
question in each thread, and give each thread a subject which will draw
in the ‘experts’ for THAT problem…

lucky that two of the most expert of all took the trouble to look in on
“bunch of problems” already…

again, welcome…hope you enjoy the test drive, and be sure to:

Have a lot of fun.


DD http://tinyurl.com/DD-Caveat http://tinyurl.com/DD-Hardware
http://tinyurl.com/DD-Software
Read what Distro Watch writes: http://tinyurl.com/SUSEonDW

Ok, let me just answer to every reply of yours.

  1. gnomesu gedit (to edit files)
  2. su -

Thanks, that’s very valuable info.

  1. Never had this problem. You need to specify detail with screens and your settings for fonts and hinting.

Now… this one is a little bit tougher… let me just tell you at once, that i have LCD monitor that is not identified by EDID with Nvidia drivers. I dunno why, but initially it gives me lowres whereas it actually has to give me 1280x1024. I had this on Debian too, and every other distro i’ve tried and what i did was… i connected my PC to BBK TV/monitor which was identified successfuly and gave all REAL resolutions, forced it down to 1280x1024 (it’s actually HD 1920x…) saved xorg.conf and used it back on Debian. I know, that’s tricky, but i was just tired messing with xorg, trying to add some resolutions, it was all useless, so i decided to go tricky a bit. Anyhow, it worked, and it still works for me on Debian, no probs with that, be compiz off or on - doesn’t matter. So i guess it shouldn’t matter for SUSE either, but i had to provide these details for not to bring anyone in confusion. Also, speaking of fonts, on Debian i’m using custom rules for fonts.conf, alias,conf, local.conf, misc.font and msfonts-rules.conf that were snatched using this script here: Ubuntu / Debian Script To Install Sharp Fonts ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog
Of course, the script itself works only on Debian and Ubuntu, but it does no biggie, basically it gets microsoft fonts first and then snatches the rules from elsewhere. Those rules were made on BSD as far as i know, and they actually work on any distro. I need it, cause that’s how i get “XP fonts”. I hate anti-aliased fonts. Not only it turns it off everywhere… it substitutes some fonts so the browsers would pick the best fonts for the webpages. So yeah, same thing i applied to SUSE. And i think this is yet another thing that shouldn’t matter. Also, these rules for most part override whatever is specified in font settings on Gnome. Once again, i’m saying all this just to let you know how the things are set up here. Again, i don’t think that should cause any troubles. I think it’s yet another driver - hardware - compiz conflict. In normal (metacity only) mode the display is fine. If compiz is on - corrupted. So i really dunno what kinda details you want me to provide, i think that’s a bit more tricky than it seems. I can’t tell for sure, but probably i’d have the same thing even if i didn’t install no rules. Yet that could be monitor/driver issue, yes. Just in case let me show you my xorg.conf that works for this monitor of mine on every distro:

nvidia-settings: X configuration file generated by nvidia-settings

nvidia-settings: version 290.10 (buildd@barber) Fri Dec 9 09:55:46 UTC 2011

Section “ServerLayout”
Identifier “Layout0”
Screen 0 “Screen0” 0 0
InputDevice “Keyboard0” “CoreKeyboard”
InputDevice “Mouse0” “CorePointer”
Option “Xinerama” “0”
EndSection

Section “Files”
EndSection

Section “InputDevice”
# generated from default
Identifier “Mouse0”
Driver “mouse”
Option “Protocol” “auto”
Option “Device” “/dev/psaux”
Option “Emulate3Buttons” “no”
Option “ZAxisMapping” “4 5”
EndSection

Section “InputDevice”
# generated from default
Identifier “Keyboard0”
Driver “kbd”
EndSection

Section “Monitor”
# HorizSync source: xconfig, VertRefresh source: xconfig
Identifier “Monitor0”
VendorName “Unknown”
ModelName “CRT-1”
HorizSync 30.0 - 80.0
VertRefresh 60.0 - 75.0
Option “DPMS”
EndSection

Section “Device”
Identifier “Device0”
Driver “nvidia”
VendorName “NVIDIA Corporation”
BoardName “GeForce GT 240”
EndSection

Section “Screen”
Identifier “Screen0”
Device “Device0”
Monitor “Monitor0”
DefaultDepth 24
Option “TwinView” “0”
Option “metamodes” “1280x1024_60 +0+0; 1280x1024 +0+0”
SubSection “Display”
Depth 24
EndSubSection
EndSection

There are many apps that should allow you to disable the mic. I prefer to use pulse audio volume control (pavucontrol) which I think is installed by default in gnome. If not, install it. Launch it by typing ‘pavucontrol’.

Actually, i had this idea myself, but i just didn’t bother doing that, cause i thought that it probably wouldn’t work, just like everything else. But i’ll try though :slight_smile: Thanks.

You should also be able to do this by launching ‘alsamixer’ and/or using ‘amixer’ (where the syntax for amixer is obscure, and you can read up on its syntax by typing ‘man amixer’ ).

I’ve tried that actually. Didn’t work. But that’s where i reduced it to the minimum possible. Still i could hear it. What i need is to turn off mic monitor COMPLETELY. And i didn’t find that.

use YaST Software Management to uninstall openJDK…i do not know how
you installed SUN Java, but i use YaST Software Management to install
mine and it works fine (with openJDK uninstalled) in 11.4

i guess if you cleanly removed the SUN you installed, and then used
YaST to install, it might work…but, i do not think java plays a part
in any “sound qlitch”…i think your bad actor might be Flash.

Well… i did it many ways, using Yast & repos or doing it manually by downloading rpm’s from official website and then assigning java plugin to browser-plugin directory using “ln -s” command. Plugin works perfectly, and “java -version” shows the one i installed correctly, it’s just the sound that gives me bad time. Again, I HAD THIS ON DEBIAN TOO, and no, that’s no flash related thing, trust me. I’ve done it quite a few times, and that’s something about Java and audio system, i dunno. Also, i prefer not to use openJDK at all, i have bad experience using that. On Debian its kinda ok with icedtea6 plugin. But yeah, “KINDA”. It would kick my CPU up to 100% after a little while and even if i close the applet it would still be 100% until i close the entire browser. With new and REAL java 7 it doesn’t happen. With sun java 6 i had exactly the same audio glitch as i’ve described having on SUSE. BUT… here’s the thing, for SUSE it doesn’t matter now which java to use, be it 6 or 7 - same thing. As for openjdk… it acts totally weird. It can either swallow bits of audio or even get stuck with every move of an applet with a delay of 2 seconds, like “move… move… move…”, dunno how else to describe. I use these websites to check how really good java works: Playforia - Free Online Games With Cool Avatars (here i usually test it on Pool game), Monopoly | Pogo.com <– and that game doesn’t work just for EVERYONE, try it, i bet one of you guys will experience some problems running it, i can feel it (don’t try running on Chrome, usually doesn’t work for anyone at all) Still, now both work perfectly well for me on Debian using:

java version “1.7.0_03”
Java™ SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0_03-b04)
Java HotSpot™ 64-Bit Server VM (build 22.1-b02, mixed mode)

See if you can be the same successful with openJDK :wink: And also, i just never had problems with flash, really. Not even on SUSE.

> 3) VLC player launches with quite a long delay

quantify “long delay” is that 2 seconds or 25?

For about 3 seconds maybe, but it seems to be longer than that, cause usually on any other system it just pops out right after you clicked on it, so common… that’s not a good thing for such a mega-distro. I mean of course i can’t blame the whole thing because of one app, but hey… when there’s a whole ■■■■■■■■ of such things that turns out to be quite annoying. And that’s only what i’ve discovered so far, but what else is lurking in the deeps of this allmighty OS? :wink: Joking.

THIS may be the most important thing i write: next time put only one
question in each thread, and give each thread a subject which will draw
in the ‘experts’ for THAT problem…

Well, sorry about that, it would just take a bit longer to put each of these probs in appropriate section… next time for sure, but for now it’s just too many of these problems for me to sort them out accurately. So yeah, it was my little desperate move here.

By the way guys, you still haven’t told me why i can’t save no passwords on SUSE, i mean, do i really have to type it everytime i wanna run YasT and on top of it it closes everytime the operation is finished just to give me some more of hard times? :slight_smile:

Thank you everyone.

I tried those games and they both seem to work fine on my 12.1 kde install

You’ll have to wait until I check 11.4 on my eeepc

Should have added: 12.1 is using openJDK

Have you tried replacing the monitor cable?

The reason I mention that is because a couple of years ago I had a problem where the nvidia driver failed to correctly identify my Viewsonic monitor, regardless of distro, though it had no problem identifying a cheap I-Inc monitor using the same cable. I spent hours trying to troubleshoot the driver until I stumbled across an obscure blog post (which I can’t find anymore) from someone who had the same problem and solved it by replacing the monitor cable. When I tried that, it worked. I still have the same monitor, but with a different nvidia card and newer driver, and I still find that the cable makes a difference in whether the nvidia driver can identify my monitor.

On 02/20/2012 05:06 PM, Zelator wrote:
> By the way guys, you still haven’t told me why i can’t save no
> passwords on SUSE, i mean, do i really have to type it everytime i wanna
> run YasT and on top of it it closes everytime the operation is finished
> just to give me some more of hard times?:slight_smile:

first, yast software manager can be used to install many things at one
time…like, say you search for an click to install ApplicationA–if you
have others to install, just then search for ApplicationB, mark it for
install and then search on ApplicationC—then when you have all marked
to install THEN click the “Accept” button

and, yast software manager can be set to remain open after completing
an operation, can be clicked down out of sight and will ‘idle’ with next
to no resources required…to set that (on my system, i don’t know about
your gnome) go YaST > System > /etc/sysconfig Editor > System > YaST2 >
PKGMGR_ACTION_AT_EXIT, spin the Settings from the default ‘close’ to
‘summary’ and the software manager will pause at the summary, where you
can then choose ‘finish’ which will proceed and shutdown or ‘back’ which
takes the window back to where you can search again…or, drop it out
of sight…because:

no, the system will not remember root password for you…you have to put
it in each time you need it…what i do is once i have a root powered
thing (like yast, gedit, nautilus or whatever) opened i just stick all
of those on the same (unseen) desktop and they just remain
available…but, CAUTION: that is a huge security problem if you do
not maintain complete physical security over your machine at all times…

so, you are a straight Debian user, huh?


DD http://tinyurl.com/SUSEonDW

I tried those games and they both seem to work fine on my 12.1 kde install

Well, 12.1 can be slightly different i guess. However, not only that matters, also your hardware. So if you have probs on one system it doesn’t mean you’d get the same on another. So… that doesn’t really explain anything…

Have you tried replacing the monitor cable?

The reason I mention that is because a couple of years ago I had a problem where the nvidia driver failed to correctly identify my Viewsonic monitor, regardless of distro, though it had no problem identifying a cheap I-Inc monitor using the same cable. I spent hours trying to troubleshoot the driver until I stumbled across an obscure blog post (which I can’t find anymore) from someone who had the same problem and solved it by replacing the monitor cable. When I tried that, it worked. I still have the same monitor, but with a different nvidia card and newer driver, and I still find that the cable makes a difference in whether the nvidia driver can identify my monitor.

Someone recommended me to do that already, but someone else told me that it’s impossible. My monitor doesn’t have DVI thing at all. Meaning, it only supports CRT cable… That’s weird… you might wanna check it out as well, it’s Acer AL1914. Anyways, when i was still using my ATI integrated videocard it was all fine, all resolutions accessible, although monitor was still unidentified saying “uknown”. Same goes for Windows, all fine there, even with Nvidia drivers. On linux it’s another story.

DenverD, thanks for all the instructions, i’ll keep that in mind :slight_smile: And yes, i am Debian user in general. On one hand because it’s very friendly and flexible in many ways, on the other because i can’t really use anything else no matter what distro, every time some troubles. I like openSUSE, it’s interesting, also lotsa fresh software, also i like the artwork and it’s fast too. At least gnome there is more responsive and sensitive. I like that. But some things are really tough to go past…

amixer with the right argument WILL turn it off completely. But the syntax can be a bear.

My monitor does have a DVI port, but that’s not the one I’m using–I have an ordinary VGA cable. Unless yours is hardwired to your monitor (which was common with CRTs, but would be pretty unusual for an LCD), you should be able to replace it. BTW, your further description sounds even more like the problem I had: there was no problem with the Windows nvidia driver on the same machine, and another computer I had with an ATI card had no problem setting the correct resolutions for the Viewsonic monitor even with the “bad” cable, though it, too, could not actually identify the monitor. I’m not really knowledgeable enough to explain it, but what I think is happening is that the nvidia driver is very fussy about EDID information, and some cables work well enough for the monitor to receive output from the video card, but have problems with communicating in the other direction.

Of course, this could have nothing to do with your problem, but I figured it was worth mentioning.

amixer with the right argument WILL turn it off completely. But the syntax can be a bear.

Thanks a lot, i’ll try that.

Yes, all the same stuff. I’ve discussed that on several other linux related forums telling them about my prob, they said all the same things. But i finally found my own solution to it :slight_smile: Though actually i connected my PC to BBK monitor just to see if it recognizes it and not really to save xorg.conf to use its settings, i came up with that later, and didn’t really hope it would work. Well i’ll check if my monitor has such DVI interface… i’m not sure. But anyway, that doesn’t really matter at the moment, cause i have no problems with that anymore, i know how to fix it. Also i don’t have DVI cable at the moment.

Tested those games on my eeepc running 11.4 _64 with the Sun Java packages from Non-Oss
Both work fine

Well then… i dunno. I’m still having probs with it. It works, but something’s wrong with the sound… and what interesting is, every plugin/java version works differently! Either it stutters, or swallowed or just comes late or is absent at all.

By the way guys, i’ve solved two issues so far, i’ve managed to turn off mic monitoring by using PA manager (thanks for that suggestion) and also i installed latest VLC 2.0 from official repo. Launches fast this time. So now it’s only “desktop effects” glitch and java.

On 2012-02-20 04:56, Zelator wrote:

> First of all, you might probably wanna know why i chose 11.4 and not
> 12.1. Well, the answer is simple: Gnome 2.32. And yes, just like many
> others i can’t use Gnome 3, that’s unbearable to me. I’ve heard that
> it’s kinda possible to get Gnome 2.32 on openSUSE 12 using 11.4 repos,
> but i doubt that it’s really a good thing to do. As for other WM’s, they
> don’t please my sight too much.

I can’t stand gnome 3 either, but xfce is very similar to gnome 2 in 12.1,
I was surprised. However, 11.4 is very stable and nice right now.

> Now, for the problems i’ve discovered on SUSE 11.4.

It is “openSUSE”. SUSE means the enterprise version.

One thing: you get better responses with one thread per question with a
proper title to attract the people that know more about it.

java: you can get both version with YaST.

> 3) VLC player launches with quite a long delay for a lightweight

I don’t know if you have yet read the multimedia stickers in the forum. VLC
seems to have problems for some people rigth now, but there are other media
viewers.

> 4) No GKSU to my surprise. I need that BAD.

What’s that, a su for gk? Not available here, I’m afraid. There are others,
I use none of them. I use plain “su -” in a terminal.

> 5) For some reason most of apps refuse to run as root from the terminal
> reporting various errors.

Give actual examples. Capture the text including how you get yourself
promoted to root, the command you try, and the error messages. Include the
text using code tags - advanced editor, then press the # button.

> 6) If turn compiz desktop effects on i get partial text corruption on
> some screens. Usually in browsers. Like bits and pieces were cut off the
> page.

I’m not surprised. I gave up on compiz long time ago.


Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 11.4 x86_64 “Celadon” at Telcontar)

Am 21.02.2012 02:08, schrieb Carlos E. R.:
>> 4) No GKSU to my surprise. I need that BAD.
> What’s that, a su for gk? Not available here, I’m afraid. There are others,
> I use none of them. I use plain “su -” in a terminal.
>
It is built in a home project

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/Nite_0wl/openSUSE_11.4


PC: oS 11.4 (dual boot 12.1) 64 bit | Intel Core i7-2600@3.40GHz | KDE
4.6.0 | GeForce GT 420 | 16GB Ram
Eee PC 1201n: oS 11.4 64 bit | Intel Atom 330@1.60GHz | KDE 4.8.0 |
nVidia ION | 3GB Ram

If you plan to use 11.4 for a longer period of time, you can update it further by adding additional repositories.

For example
Index of /repositories/Kernel:/stable/standard
Contains latest 3.2.6 kernel. You can also update apps and some system base stuff.
Feel free to browse http://download.opensuse.org/repositories and find what can be updated.
Of course there are hardly any update repos for GNOME since 2.32 is latest, but some apps are updated too.

Support for OS11.4 will end somewhere in September, maybe it will be supported by Evergreen project then (I bet it will, as it’s very good and last G2 release).

PS. Since G2 is dying, be sure to check xfce and cinnamon. I’m using xfce right now and I wouldn’t go back to G2 even if it wasn’t dead :slight_smile:
But since compiz seems to be dying too I will probably switch from 11.4 to cinnamon@12.2.
Cinnamon is new and under heavy developement, but version 1.3 looks VERY promising already, it can be better than G2 soon.

On 02/21/2012 01:06 AM, Zelator wrote:
> i’ve solved two issues so far, i’ve managed to turn
> off mic monitoring by using PA manager (thanks for that suggestion) and
> also i installed latest VLC 2.0 from official repo. Launches fast this
> time. So now it’s only “desktop effects” glitch and java.

but, you started with six, so you either have 2 fixed and 4 remaining,
or 4 fixed and 2 remaining…


DD
What does DistroWatch write about YOU?: http://tinyurl.com/SUSEonDW

Thanks a lot guys! You’ve been very helpful indeed :slight_smile:

>> 4) No GKSU to my surprise. I need that BAD.
> What’s that, a su for gk? Not available here, I’m afraid. There are others,
> I use none of them. I use plain “su -” in a terminal.
>
It is built in a home project

http://download.opensuse.org/reposit.../openSUSE_11.4

Thanks!! That was really important!! Installed and using it already :slight_smile:

PS. Since G2 is dying, be sure to check xfce and cinnamon. I’m using xfce right now and I wouldn’t go back to G2 even if it wasn’t dead
But since compiz seems to be dying too I will probably switch from 11.4 to cinnamon@12.2.
Cinnamon is new and under heavy developement, but version 1.3 looks VERY promising already, it can be better than G2 soon.

Thanks man, that was a valuable info. I’ve heard of cinnamon too. Yes, it looks nice. I’ve tried it actually on Mint 12, but back then i didn’t know what it was, i just tried it out blindly. Was ok i guess. But it’s not yet available for SUSE, is it? Or for 12.1 is?.. Anyway, i shall look forward to use it in future. Also, could you tell me please how to properly install kernel 3.2? Just by checkboxing kernel-desktop-base in YasT software manager?..

I’ve solved these so far:

1) Couldn’t turn off mic monitoring, could hear myself speaking/blowing into microphone. There was no option to turn it off, only to reduce it, but still audible. Probably some audio glitch as usual. That’s a minor problem, yet complementing the rest of it.
3) VLC player launches with quite a long delay for a lightweight player, that usually appears in a flash on any other platform/distro. Here it’s slow. Ran from the terminal - no errors. It’s simply delayed. When clicking through buncha clips that might be quite obstructive. Maybe launcher properties, dunno.
4) No GKSU to my surprise. I need that BAD.
5) For some reason most of apps refuse to run as root from the terminal reporting various errors.