Well considering that I actually got the netflix workaround to work under opensuse and steam for linux is soon I am thinking why not dump windows 7 and go full openSUSE?
The thing is that I am thinking of going over to BTRFS, BTRFS is still new but I have had some data loss issues under ext4 compared to ext3.
I could go back to ext3 but the speed of ext4 does way things out for me, and I heard BTRFS is the next inevitable step for linux in general.
As I back things up to totally wipe windows from my life I am wondering if you guys can help me decide if BTRFS is stable or ready enough for you.
On 12/09/2012 07:26 PM, MadmanRB wrote:
>
> Well considering that I actually got the netflix workaround to work
> under opensuse and steam for linux is soon I am thinking why not dump
> windows 7 and go full openSUSE?
> The thing is that I am thinking of going over to BTRFS, BTRFS is still
> new but I have had some data loss issues under ext4 compared to ext3.
> I could go back to ext3 but the speed of ext4 does way things out for
> me, and I heard BTRFS is the next inevitable step for linux in general.
> As I back things up to totally wipe windows from my life I am wondering
> if you guys can help me decide if BTRFS is stable or ready enough for
> you.
If you think ext4 is unstable, then just wait until you use btrfs!!
On 2012-12-10 02:44, Larry Finger wrote:
> On 12/09/2012 07:26 PM, MadmanRB wrote:
>> As I back things up to totally wipe windows from my life I am wondering
>> if you guys can help me decide if BTRFS is stable or ready enough for
>> you.
>
> If you think ext4 is unstable, then just wait until you use btrfs!!
Oh yeah! 
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)
Well I did have to ask, ext3 it is.
Unless you have some suggestions as at this point any filesystem will do.
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FWIW, I’ve been running btrfs exclusively on my laptop (which is my
most-important system as it holds my life) since January on openSUSE
12.1. I haven’t had any issues that I could blame on btrfs
conclusively, and have not ever (as in, ever) had any issues with
corruption or data loss. With that said, I know that btrfs isn’t as
hardened/tested as ext3, at least in terms of systems on which is runs
and does everything, but how could it be. To mitigate risk I run
backups regularly and often, but that’s something everybody should do
anyway (and most don’t).
Anyway, some features in it are just great… the performance has been
fine (I haven’t noticed I/O issues that I could point to btrfs more than
anything else like my full disk encryption which I have done since 11.1
or 11.2), and so I’m happy with it.
Good luck.
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Steam in Linux is still beta. Windows 7 is the best OS that Microsoft has ever released and I’d always keep a legacy install in case that crucial job application form is in Word and mangled by LibreOffice.
There’s no question that BTRFS is still experiment (see http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/install-boot-login/478909-new-users-beware-using-btrfs-filesystem.html ) so if you’re concerned about data loss, I’d avoid BTRFS.
I’m surprised you have had issues with ext4. I thrash my ext4-formatted hard drives for weeks to perform modelling analysis and never had issues with data loss. There are disparaties in performance (e.g. see EXT3 vs EXT4 vs XFS vs BTRFS linux filesystems benchmark - www.ilsistemista.net - hardware & software benchmark and performance analysis ), but at the end the benchmarker admits some shortcomings in the ext3 statistics.
I think the short answer is no :).
Well I could live with the backups idea either way.
I mean technically it wont hurt me to try BTRFS as i got everything on my external drive and I got plenty of room.
I am aware steam for linux is still beta but its going to come out of beta sooner or later.
I am not worried about microsoft compatibility with office as most versions of MS office work under WINE anyway.
I got office 2008 working pretty well under it and I have no plans to use newer versions of it.
So really my reasons for using windows are zero to nil, though if I really did need it I still have virtualbox as I got decent enough hardware for it.
I’ve read the stories on data loss on btrfs as well, but also some other stories which make me curious to play around with btrfs, specially the snapshotting.features.
I quit Windows in 2001 and haven’t regretted it one single day. Though I do have a license for XP and Win7 Ultimate Business (+DVD) it’s already over a year ago when I replaced the Vbox VM space with a linux testing VM (Less space, more fun).
IMHO you could give it a try, you’re aware of what might happen, you appear to be curious still. Secure everything you care about and let know how you got on.
openSUSE doesn’t depend on the file system that you actually will be runnung (BTRFS, EXT4, EXT3, ReiserFS, …).
openSUSE (or Linux) runs with all of these file systems well.
The file system should be transparent, i.e. during daily use, it should not require your attention,
or it should be stable, reliable.
Otherwise you couldn’t be sure of, that the file that you just stored
is that what you expected (and could expect).
So, switching to Linux/openSUSE is one decision.
Selecting the file system is another one.
Good luck
Mike
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:16:02 +0000, ratzi wrote:
> openSUSE doesn’t depend on the file system that you actually will be
> runnung (BTRFS, EXT4, EXT3, ReiserFS, …).
Well, technically, it does depend - if you choose a filesystem that
doesn’t support the necessary permissions (say, NTFS of vfat), you are
almost certainly guaranteed to have problems.
Jim
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Hi Jim!
Yes, that’s why I only mentionned BTRFS, EXT4, EXT3, ReiserFS …
Best wishes
Mike
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 23:06:01 +0000, ratzi wrote:
> Hi Jim!
>
> Yes, that’s why I only mentionned BTRFS, EXT4, EXT3, ReiserFS …
Good point, I took the “…” to imply that other filesystems might
include filesystems that might not support the necessary features.
But it is also worth mentioning that different filesystems have different
performance characteristics, and some are more stable than others. btrfs
is still relatively new, and while there are now tools for fixing it,
some may still hesitate to use it because it’s not as well proven as,
say, ext3.
Jim
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Hi Jim,
I probably should admit now, that I’m still using ext3 for my openSUSE 12.1 …
Yours
Mike
Well I am far from a beginner to linux, been using it as my primary OS for about 6 years now and have tried many of its variants and file system formats.
Actually I used to use ReiserFS a lot in the day before ol Hans went psycho, I actually thought ReiserFS was dead and no longer developed thus why I moved to EXT3 as it was so common.
I went with ReiserFS for the speed advantages, it was pretty darned fast at the time and EXT3 seemed a bit slow
Yes, ReiserFS feels fast.
But after every non-clean shutdown one could see all those numereous logs about journal replays
(at least as long as the startup messages still were displayed).
It seems that ext3 is more robust.
And that’s what I most want: I do not want to have unexpected file system errors nor losses of data,
that are hard to handle.
The critical question for me is: how much time do I have to spend to repair a broken file system
versus how much time does it take me in effect if the file system runs a bit slower?
My lifetime is limited.
I never had any problems with ext3.
It’s just reliable.
So long
Mike
On 2012-12-11 01:16, ratzi wrote:
> Yes, ReiserFS feels fast.
>
> But after every non-clean shutdown one could see all those numereous
> logs about journal replays
> (at least as long as the startup messages still were displayed).
>
> It seems that ext3 is more robust.
No, it just keeps silent.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 12.1 x86_64 “Asparagus” at Telcontar)
I would pick the file system that is reliable and keeps out of my way. I decided on ext4 for the fast fsck. I like xfs as well though I can’t find a compelling reason to use it over ext4. The only issue I ever had with ext4 was with slow installs of Debian packages. RPMs are fast so I guess that isn’t applicable on openSUSE.
On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 02:16:01 +0000, nightwishfan wrote:
> I would pick the file system that is reliable and keeps out of my way. I
> decided on ext4 for the fast fsck. I like xfs as well though I can’t
> find a compelling reason to use it over ext4. The only issue I ever had
> with ext4 was with slow installs of Debian packages. RPMs are fast so I
> guess that isn’t applicable on openSUSE.
I also opted for ext4 for that reason - ext3 doing a fsck after a long
uptime (I leave my systems on pretty much 24x7, even my laptops generally
have long uptimes because I suspend/resume) on several hundred GB or a
couple TB of storage takes a very long time with ext3.
Jim
Jim Henderson
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