I seen online people saying that Ubuntu 9.04 really does bootup faster then the last Ubuntu version (8.10). I’m downloading a live CD to see if there is any difference in boot time between Ubuntu 9.04 and OpenSUSE 11.1 within Virtual box (yeah I’m bored at work this morning). I wonder if a faster bootup speed will be on the list for OpenSUSE 11.2. I think 11.1 boots with good speed anyway, what have you guys heard.
Boot up speeds are insignificant. If you need to reboot often enough for it to matter, you’re doing something wrong.
I don’t care if the machine boots 5 minutes as long as I can hibernate it and resume where I left off fast enough and on almost every platform that speed is rather universal.
I disagree because if you have a laptop you may not want to hibernate it at all. I use the D600 laptop at home for about 15min in the mornings then I turn it off. I don’t need it to be in hibernation for ten hours.
As far as a desktop goes I concur with you.
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:06:02 +0000, vwbond wrote:
> Chrysantine;1978296 Wrote:
>> Boot up speeds are insignificant. If you need to reboot often enough
>> for it to matter, you’re doing something wrong.
>>
>>
> I disagree because if you have a laptop you may not want to hibernate it
> at all. I use the D600 laptop at home for about 15min in the mornings
> then I turn it off. I don’t need it to be in hibernation for ten hours.
> As far as a desktop goes I concur with you.
Hibernation (ie, suspend to disk) doesn’t use battery power. Suspend to
RAM does.
So there’s no harm in putting a laptop into hibernate mode for 10
hours/10 days/10 months.
Jim
Comparing openSUSE 11.1 and 11.2 on the same “Hardware” (VBox with same amount of RAM) and the same Software (= services to be started at boot) openSUSE 11.2 is a little faster.
On my Laptop openSUSE 11.1 booted as fast as the Debian Lenny of my colleague on the same Laptop (+/- a few seconds), at least before I turned it into a fully encrypted install (which of course takes longer to boot, typing in the password for / and swap, unlocking all partitions etc.).
I also don’t understand this “Wave your d1ck”-comparisons which distro boots a few seconds faster or slower, if you want faster boot, then adjust the services to be started at boottime and the differences will be very small.
Ubuntu Jaunty’s speed is mainly due to EXT4, EXT4 has been benchmarked as having a great boot speed compared to EXT3.
If you dont know what EXT is, EXT is the default filesystem for most linux distros.
EXT3 is currently the standard as its relatively stable and offers great recovery options.
EXT4 is the version up from EXT3, it offers faster speed, the ability to use file sizes over 16 GiB – 2 TiB and volume sizes over 2 TiB – 16 TiB.
But EXT4 is still new, and it has caused cases of data loss.
All the bugs in EXT4 have not been fleshed out yet.
So its a double edged sword right now, great speed but possible data loss may occur.
I agree with you. And actually, on my laptop restoring the system + KDE 4 from hibernation takes longer (x2) then a reboot.
Hibernate is not helping me much when I use my laptop. I switch profiles at different places because I use different networks, printers etc. at 5 different office locations and home.
I installed ubuntu 9 with ext4 filesystem. Just this week I also installed SuSe - but it cannot access ext4, I’ll have to work on that.
When I boot Ubuntu now, it is almost silent, I hear the fans spin up, but no clicking on the HDD.
Also, after 30 mounts, a fsk is forced, and it adds only 10 seconds for a 250GB storage partition - amazing.
Boots to desktop in about 25 seconds.
KDE Suse is a different story, very noisy (though attractive on screen) boot up - and with both installed, I have to say I have to go and make tea, or turn on my PC before I sit down - otherwise it would drive me crazy.
YAST has tons of menu’s, but I have to say that I use Gnome-Do to find everything anyway (or ALT F2 launcher) and that apt-get has super-cow powers, and synaptic never let me down.
I installed Gwibber this morning, and after installing, SuSe tells me I can’t run it because stuff isn’t running. I have to manually find and install the relevant libraries? WTF?
Halfway through installing my nVidia and compiz packages, my internet slowed to a halt… YAST sat in the middle of a 286kb file. 51% - no estimate of time remaining whatsoever - it said it was downloading at an average of 13kb/sec, current speed 18kb/sec - sat like that for 20 minutes.
Click ABORT and the fun starts - I clicked a total of 30 times having to wait between clicks, about half an hour to get out of YAST. Logout is disabled…
Second attempt, I pulled the power cord out.
With Ubuntu, I can quit at any time, no problem - it seems SuSe is designed for 7 year old children to play with. You aren’t capable of managing your system. YAST2 has taken control. Reminded me of HAL computer from the movie ‘Eagle Eye’.
I’ll keep trying, I should learn to like RPM distro’s the way I learned to love DEB - but it’s not easy.
For a netbook, I’d go with CRUNCHBANG linux - based on ubuntu but lighter, and much faster 
ben2talk adjusted his/her AFB on Sunday 10 May 2009 19:46 to write:
> With Ubuntu, I can quit at any time, no problem - it seems SuSe is
> designed for 7 year old children to play with. You aren’t capable of
> managing your system. YAST2 has taken control. Reminded me of HAL
> computer from the movie ‘Eagle Eye’.
2001
If you are going to troll at least get your facts right, one of the greatest
and most famous science fiction authors this world has ever seen and you get
it wrong.
Fail!!!
–
Mark
Nullus in verba
Nil illigitimi carborundum
On 05/10/2009 ben2talk wrote:
> Reminded me of HAL computer from the movie ‘Eagle Eye’.
<cough>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_9000
> I’ll keep
> trying, I should learn to like RPM distro’s the way I learned to love
> DEB - but it’s not easy.
Did you try “zypper” on the command line?
Uwe
What is this madness about time booting? It`s becoming a fanatic thing…
boot up speed all are same only one problem is large number of installing software may decease the speed.
thanks
I’m a user of OpenSuSE, but a few guys here uses Ubuntu. Booting times may be insignificant compared to the time the system are used, but it still amazes me how the Ubuntu 10.4 system are up withing seconds and my OpenSuSE 11.2 takes at least 5 times as long. I read somewhere that the start-up scripts for Ubuntu are running in parallel, but this is done smart to ensure dependent services are still started in sequence…
Cheers!
Pierre
Well actually it’s a good thing that there is an effort (competition?) to reduce these times, either by speeding up the initialisation or by waking the machine from hibernation, because as portable devices become more widespread, users will expect them to be ready to use very quickly, if not instantly. Tools like bootchart can help all distros lift their game.
For people who leave their computers on all the time, it doesn’t matter that much. Still a long boot time can be annoying. I know these old Dell servers that take 5 minutes to boot. Most of the wait is in the firmware. Thanks, Dell.
I used to manage an NCR 650 running System V, with some external disk cabinets attached. It took 30 minutes for a shutdown, 45 minutes for a boot ( of which approx 20 minutes was spend on testing the RAM, a monstrous 16 MB, whatching the dots ). These days I find myself lucky having SSD’s to run openSUSE from, even though my server hardly ever (re)boots. Like ken_yap says, I want the machine to work as soon as I release the power button. Another thing is, that a reboot now is that fast that clients can continue their work.
I have Ubuntu on a netbook and it boots up real fast (faster than anything else I own), and I have just installed OpenSuSE on a tower and it boots up much faster than Windows XP or SuSE 9.3 Professional which was on this comptuer.
This is a rather old thread, but I will go ahead and add my 2 cents worth anyway :D.
Ubuntu 10.04 uses “upstart”, and it boots amazingly fast, in a VM on my desktop it takes less than 15 seconds, and that includes entering my encrypted home password!!
We need faster boot times, things really haven’t improved since computers moved away from having the OS in ROM!
With the amazing speed improvements we have now (2-5 gigahertz CPUs as opposed to 12 megahertz back in 1986!), why are our machines taking longer to boot?
It really is ridiculous when an Amiga 500 can boot to a desktop faster than a modern system :sarcastic:. And yes I have seen it happen!
It’s fine for the “always on” crowd to dismiss it, but I would guess most humans have to turn their computers on and off each day, and booting is painfully and unnecessarily slow.
Why do you think SSD drives are catching on? They can make a massive improvement in boot times, if I had the money I would certainly invest in one, especially for my laptop.
I believe openSUSE 11.3 will be also using upstart, well, it certainly should do.