Blu ray/hd-dvd on linux?

Don`t know have anyone ask, but i would like to know.
So what is the situation with Blu ray/hd-dvd on linux?
Does it/them work at all? or is there anyway to get it/them work?

ps. sorry bit lag english

Have a look at the Linux section of the Doom9.org forum where such things get discussed. Especially pay notice to the “The state of Blu-ray in Linux” and “Linux blu-ray noob” threads

Linux, Mac OS X, & Co - Doom9’s Forum
The State of Blu-Ray on Linux - Doom9’s Forum
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On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 12:36 +0000, Motaboy wrote:
> Don`t know have anyone ask, but i would like to know.
> So what is the situation with Blu ray/hd-dvd on linux?
> Does it/them work at all? or is there anyway to get it/them work?
>
> ps. sorry bit lag english
>
>

I have not tried a Blu ray movie yet. However, I did successfully
burn a Blu-ray rewritable disc using Nero. K3b didn’t have support
(not sure if it has support now).

IMHO, Blu ray movies are a BAD idea. High resolution, yes, but
grossly encumbered by DRM. Sony REALLY REALLY REALLY does
not want ANYONE to use Blu ray… let’s honor their request.

Sony has little to do with DRM itself when it comes to most of the movies released by a studio that it’s owned by Sony. It’s the Blu-ray consortium (which has a lot of firms, not just Sony) + Hollywood studios that are so obsessed about content protection and push for stronger DRM schemes. The thing is, in order for BD to succeed, Sony had to develop a standard which has a very strong security scheme so that studios would pick it up. In the end, BD won over HD DVD not only because it was more advanced in terms of technology, but also it had a much stronger content protection scheme. In this case, the lower price of HD DVD combined with its bigger compatibility with current devices, was not enough to win over the studios as their main rule is to protect their content no matter the cost, so they can make big $$$ out of it. Yes, Sony is a vocal supporter of DRM, but it’s only one out of the many many many studios that are obsessed with it and every time push for a better protection

On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 17:16 +0000, microchip8 wrote:
> cjcox;1908361 Wrote:
> > On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 12:36 +0000, Motaboy wrote:
> > > Don`t know have anyone ask, but i would like to know.
> > > So what is the situation with Blu ray/hd-dvd on linux?
> > > Does it/them work at all? or is there anyway to get it/them work?
> > >
> > > ps. sorry bit lag english
> > >
> > >
> > IMHO, Blu ray movies are a BAD idea. High resolution, yes, but
> > grossly encumbered by DRM. Sony REALLY REALLY REALLY does
> > not want ANYONE to use Blu ray… let’s honor their request.
>
> Sony has little to do with DRM itself when it comes to most of the
> movies released by a studio that it’s owned by Sony. It’s the Blu-ray
> consortium (which has a lot of firms, not just Sony) + Hollywood studios

Uh… Sony is Hollywood… well, a very large portion of it anyhow.
Sony developed the technology specifically to control who could watch
THEIR content. The fact that other evil producers can leverage
Sony’s evil is just a DRM “bonus”.

> that are so obsessed about content protection and push for stronger DRM
> schemes. The thing is, in order for BD to succeed, Sony had to develop a
> standard which has a very strong security scheme so that studios would

Uh… that’s called baloney my friend.

Unless you think firewire is still going to take over USB? People
who try to rip the public off usually find a very slow uptake on
their technology. I hope Blu ray dies a painful death.

> pick it up. In the end, BD won over HD DVD not only because it was more
> advanced in terms of technology, but also it had a much stronger content

Hmmm… not quite sure you have the right. I mean one was vastly
more flexible and came with more features (placing more burden on
the producers of content in what they offered by default… vs
Blu ray where the consumer is the victim).

> protection scheme. In this case, the lower price of HD DVD combined with
> its bigger compatibility with current devices, was not enough to win
> over the studios as their main rule is to protect their content no
> matter the cost, so they can make big $$$ out of it. Yes, Sony is a
> vocal supporter of DRM, but it’s only one out of the many many many
> studios that are obsessed with it and every time push for a better
> protection

What planet are you on? Sony PAID BILLIONS to make sure Blu ray
would win… had NOTHING to do with what technology was better, etc.
Sony simply didn’t want another Betamax fiasco on their hands and
they had a monetary interest in controlling what you and I are
able to do with physical media what we “believe” we own.

I think you give Sony WAY too much credit… in fact, I’ll just
say you’re utterly and completely wrong and be done with it.
So unless you can show me some evidence that Sony was somehow
an innocent party in all of this… (sheesh)…

Uh… Sony is not Hollywood… Sony owns a lot of studios (some big, some small) while Hollywood consists of hundreds of studios, and double that amount if you also count the smaller (independent) ones. Yes, Sony has a big influence on Hollywood and that played a role too, I must admit. Sony did not develop the technology on its own. The Blu-ray disc founder group was started by 9 different companies (Sony, Matsua, Pioneer, Philips, Thomson, LG Electronics, Hitachi, Sharp, Samsung) with Sony as the leading company. In fact, Matsua and Thomson multimedia did a lot of work on developing the BD content protection schemes (there were also third party contributers to this). The updated content protection of today, BD+, was jointly developed by all core members of the Blu-ray group. Somewhere in 2002, all these companies came out and announced that they are the founders of the new BD format and technology. Currently, the group exists of 200+ companies/supporters

Uh… that’s called baloney my friend.

Unless you think firewire is still going to take over USB? People
who try to rip the public off usually find a very slow uptake on
their technology. I hope Blu ray dies a painful death.

Uh… stop making yourself ridiculous if you don’t know why the studios at first supported HD DVD, then some of them went for a HD + BD combination, and eventually all switched over to BD.

  1. HD DVD was cheaper with a decent protection and higher compatibility so studios went for it. Toshiba’s marketing was very good at first, too.

  2. Some vocal executives at various studios (most of them not owned by Sony) raised public concerns that the employed protection scheme of HD DVD may not be enough for their needs. Toshiba did not listen much to this. It could have prevented this by listening and upgrading the protection schemes and increasing its marketing. Instead Toshiba’s marketing went slowly downhill from here.

  3. As with any content wars, studios were uncertian which one would win. This, with the influence of Sony on one side, and the deteriorating marketing of Toshiba on the other, and the call for better content protection on the third side, made some companies consider to support both formats.

  4. the blow to HD DVD/Toshiba came out when Warner Bros publicly announced that it will solely support BD in the future and will drop HD completely. This was due to Warner stating that interest in HD DVD had considerably dropped and more and more consumers/shops/studios/televisions went for BD. Also, Toshiba’s marketing at the end was really bad, which gave even more advantage to BD. Eventually Toshiba came out and pulled the plug on HD DVD. The same day, it became clear who won the war. (also the cost to support two different technologies is high, so eventually the one that has an advantage in the war, won the battle - advantage here may be better tech, better marketing and influence, better protection, etc).

What planet are you on? Sony PAID BILLIONS to make sure Blu ray
would win… had NOTHING to do with what technology was better, etc.
Sony simply didn’t want another Betamax fiasco on their hands and
they had a monetary interest in controlling what you and I are
able to do with physical media what we “believe” we own.

What plant are YOU on? Sony may have payed billions, but that wasn’t the main reason why BD won - it had an influence though, but certainly wasn’t the main reason. The reasons why it won are stated above.

I think you give Sony WAY too much credit… in fact, I’ll just
say you’re utterly and completely wrong and be done with it.
So unless you can show me some evidence that Sony was somehow
an innocent party in all of this… (sheesh)…

I give credit where its due. In fact, I’ll just say you’re totally ignorant and don’t know your “facts”. Also, don’t put words in my mouth. I NEVER said Sony was innocent so you can just stop right here and sheesh. Every baby on this world knows that Sony is a dirty scumbucket when it comes to DRM and content protection. They have pulled tricks on us long before DRM was mainstream in the public. In fact, I loath Sony but I like BD because if you strip out the DRM, it is a very decent technology (i’m talking about the tech here, not about what others put on it to protect their content)

CORRECTION: BD+ protection was developed by Cryptography Research. Everything else I said is still valid

Oh, don’t worry people… as just said by samsung direction, BD is just dead, due to its high costs and new tecnologies that are coming that are even better than BD. Sorry Sony, you are getting a new “nicchia” market as with Betamax, Minidisk, MemoryStick… all things used just only by your products.

l0v3r

Care to provide a link cuz I’m lazy? :slight_smile:

also will these “new technologies” have strong DRM such as BD+? If so, then you can also consider them dead as a lot of people clearly don’t want to be dictated by studios how to handle movies they buy and vocally resist DRM stuff as much as possible.

Well thanks all your comments:)
it is because i will get some hi-resolution dokuments on hd-dvd/blu-ray
not sure which one, havent got them yet. Otherwice i have played 720p resolution films, with mplayer and they work guide fine:) but as from hd-dvd/blu-ray disk, i havent try yet, and i was wondering how that might work.
well i wait and look then how its going to happen

Here is it:

Blu-Ray Dead In 5 Years Says Samsung - Smarthouse

and here another telling the state of blueray:

Blu-ray is dead - heckuva job, Sony! | Storage Bits | ZDNet.com

l0v3r

These links do not go deep into detail on the Samsung technology that supposedly will replace BD, however, I’m also confident that if BD demands don’t pick up soon, and consumers stay the same as they are now when it comes to BD, there’s a huge chance that BD will die a painful death. I don’t think we need a new technology to kill it. If 90% percent of the consumers don’t give a **** about it, it will die on its own. Studios will have huge difficulties selling their stuff to a indifferent consumer, so in the end costs will go up and profit will go down by a large amount…

You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned about the “indifferent customer”, microchip. Companies like Netflix are the ones who will be prosperous in the time either Blu-Ray takes off or gets buried. I know for myself as a customer, I don’t really want to buy BRD-compatible disk players to watch movies and buy BRD movies for a slightly higher price than DVD’s. Especially as an American in a recession, every penny counts.

It’s just as easy to download and store movies to a hard drive and watch them in our favorite (free or paid-for) movie/media players than go through all that trouble to be on top of technology for the sake of… well, to be on top of technology. We’re the customers, WE say what we want, not Sony or any other company trying to make a killing on patents or DRM. They got this big because we let them, now it’s time for us as consumers to tell them how it is.

I posted both the articles, the one about samsung opinion, and the second in line with my opinion, and about what you are writing, also with your idea… “If 90% percent of the consumers don’t give a **** about it…” that is the reality, about my customers here in Italy and all of my friends, only one my friend bought a blueray player and takes BD movies weekly, 'cause in this moment the 90% of the daily use (here in Italy) is to watch TV, that is not in FullHD… is nor in HD… it is simply @ 520p, and is known that a non HD/FullHD video on a HD/FullHD monitor, is resulting in a worse quality.
So, in this moment (here in Italy) there’s no need to spend money on BD… also 'cause our money are taken from our good politicians (those muth#@f@#!ers).
And I see very difficult a BD diffusion… at least here in this country.

l0v3r

@ Brennan13 and l0v3r

Indeed. Also consider the fact that today there are many excellent DVD players with HARDWARE upscaling support - Samsung has one of the best in this area. So, if you have a HD screen at home but no BD player, you can just use your DVDs in a hardware upscaling player like the Samsung one, and guess what? You will get an amazing sharp and clear picture (if the DVD is not blurry by default, of course), sometimes (most times?) indistinguishable from BD 720p or 1080p content.

Myself i like a lot dvd, sometimes i would like to see 720p, but 1080p is not nesessary at all.